No worries

I'd like to make this post "read only" but since I can't, I'm asking you all
to just skip the hateful claims and projections insisting that I posted
about the bite here because I'm "seeking attention", and the authoritative
"It wasn't a brown recluse, end of story" retorts from people who were not
there at the time (and that's ALL of you), as well as the fearmongering
"You'll be sorry when your leg falls off a month from now, I told you so"
warnings.

First of all, I made a positive ID of the spider BEFORE the bite occurred,
as well as after. And I do know how to identify the brown recluse. They are
quite common around here - I'm sure there are many thousands of them in my
shed, which I had been cleaning. I observed it off and on it in the empty
plastic pool that I was on hands and knees scrubbing out. It was trying to
escape. I had been avoiding it but didn't bother removing it, nor did I make
the mental connection between "brown recluse" and "grave danger" until the
damage was done.

I suppose that's because I lack the fear of dangerous animals that most
other people have. I remember driving through Yellowstone National Park in
late October of 1971 and seeing buffalo grazing in a field near the road. I
parked on the shoulder, grabbed my little camera, walked down the 6' slope
and approached to take a closeup shot of one of the beasts, with nary a
thought of any possible consequences. Only as I was focusing the lens did I
realize that I was in deep trouble, as the buffalo started snorting and
pawing the ground. Then I walked slowly backward to the slope and did a 6'
leap up to the car before realizing that non-athletic people aren't supposed
to be able to leap that high.

But back to the spider bite... From The New England Journal of Medicine
article "Bites of brown recluse spiders and suspected necrotic arachnidism"
published February 15, 2005: "In almost all cases, bites are self-limited
and typically heal without any medical intervention." This should be more
than enough to set minds at ease. It did for me, at least.

Although I appreciate the concern, I am a bit dismayed that almost no one
seems to appreciate the fact that I have managed to survive for 54+ years
despite being very accident-prone and having had cancer twice. This alone
ought to indicate that my judgment is not entirely defective.

One final point: Yes, I am a space cadet. I freely admit that. In a moment
of half-baked panic after the bite started to itch, I forgot where I found
the recluse remedy information that I once upon a time posted in this group
in reply to someone else's concern and made the OP in hopes that one of you
would remember, and that's all there is to it.

You can also blame my being spaced out for the fact that I also forgot how
unwise it is to post about a potentially controversial health-related
situation in a group with so many experts in medicine and psychology. But
now I've learned that lesson forever. Rest assured, it will never happen
again.

"Pat" wrote in message
et...
I'd like to make this post "read only" but since I can't, I'm asking you
all
to just skip the hateful claims and projections insisting that I posted
about the bite here because I'm "seeking attention", and the authoritative

I didn't see anyone being hateful... frustrated with you, yes, but not
hateful. If you don't understand why we're frustrated then do me a favor:
show me a single post, from any time in the past years that you'e been
posting here, just *one* *single* *post* where you wrote about a problem,
received an answer and then just said, "thanks for the advice" - *without*
arguing about the advice given.

I remember the problem you had about your house being dirty, the problem you
had with your landlady, the problem you had getting a mortgage or down
payment, the problem you had buying a house and moving, the problem you had
with your cats fighting, the problem you had about being unable to afford
cat litter, medical attention, etc., etc., etc. Each of these turned into
hugely long threads where you argued with *everyone* who posted a suggestion
only trying to help you find a solution to your problem.

However, you seem to have no problem giving others advice in an
authoritative manner (political threads you started, herbal/eastern medicine
vs. western science, etc.) which *also* turned into hugely long threads
where you argued with every person who held a different political or
personal belief.

And if you think your snarky little "rebuke" to the group (for not catering
to your drama this time) would not be refuted, then you really are a space
cadet!

Hugs,

CatNipped

"CatNipped" wrote

| show me a single post, from any time in the past years that you'e been
| posting here, just *one* *single* *post* where you wrote about a problem,
| received an answer and then just said, "thanks for the advice" - *without*
| arguing about the advice given.

I don't have time to search on that, but the point here is I wasn't seeking
advice in my original post about the bite, I was asking if anyone remembered
the name of the remedy I mentioned in the past.

| And if you think your snarky little "rebuke" to the group (for not
catering
| to your drama this time) would not be refuted, then you really are a space
| cadet!

This kind of comment is what I call hateful. It comes from an attitude of "I
am right, no matter what you think" which translates to "You don't know
****" which is hateful.

I posted the update posted because a few people here actually wanted to know
if I was alright. I am. Not all brown recluse encounters need to be
dramatic, but it seems that the less drama I want, the more you want to drag
it out by posting all kinds of recriminations.

Just quit!

"Pat" wrote in message
et...

"CatNipped" wrote

| show me a single post, from any time in the past years that you'e been
| posting here, just *one* *single* *post* where you wrote about a
problem,
| received an answer and then just said, "thanks for the advice" -
*without*
| arguing about the advice given.

I don't have time to search on that,

No you don't have time to search that because you could search for days or
weeks and not find one!

but the point here is I wasn't seeking
advice in my original post about the bite, I was asking if anyone
remembered
the name of the remedy I mentioned in the past.

No, if you only wanted to get the remedy you posted, a quick Google search
would have sufficed.

And if you didn't want to search, then asking if anyone remembered the name
of the remedy would have been...

Subject: [OT] Anyone Remember?
Body: I once posted a remedy for a Brown Recluse Spider bite - does anyone
remember it?

But what you did post was a dramatic subject "Brown Recluse Got Me", then
you asked if anyone knew the "cure" - *NOT* if anyone remembered a remedy
you had posted (and most of us didn't even know you had) - what you *DID*
say was, "I can't afford to get very ill right now" - also very dramatic,
implying that you might get very ill from the bite of a very dangerous
spider, thus eliciting all the attention and worry you seem to revel in.

Do you see the difference???


| And if you think your snarky little "rebuke" to the group (for not
catering
| to your drama this time) would not be refuted, then you really are a
space
| cadet!

This kind of comment is what I call hateful. It comes from an attitude of
"I
am right, no matter what you think" which translates to "You don't know
****" which is hateful.

As was what you wrote in response to a group of people who were worried
about you and doing nothing but trying to help you (and expressing concern
and frustration that you wouldn't take their sound advice). You reap what
you sow! And the only one implying "You don't know ****" is the one who
refutes every single attempt to give her advice or help.


I posted the update posted because a few people here actually wanted to
know
if I was alright. I am. Not all brown recluse encounters need to be

Actually we *ALL* wanted to know - if we didn't give a crap about you, Pat,
we'd just killfile you and save ourselves the worry and drama!

dramatic, but it seems that the less drama I want, the more you want to
drag
it out by posting all kinds of recriminations.

Just quit!

*YOU* just quit!

Hugs,

CatNipped

Folks, it's past time for me to "quit" this ng. In the past I had the energy
to stay in spite of the hostility of people like JM, but that's no longer
true. If I happen to outlive her, and if the internet as we know it still
exists at that time, and if I still own a computer, I may return, because
cats will always be a big part of my life. Meanwhile, I've got many of you
in my address book and vice versa, and we can continue communicating
privately. I'll always welcome that.

"CatNipped" wrote

| *YOU* just quit!

Done.

"Pat" wrote in message
et...
Folks, it's past time for me to "quit" this ng. In the past I had the
energy
to stay in spite of the hostility of people like JM, but that's no longer
true. If I happen to outlive her, and if the internet as we know it still
exists at that time, and if I still own a computer, I may return, because
cats will always be a big part of my life. Meanwhile, I've got many of you
in my address book and vice versa, and we can continue communicating
privately. I'll always welcome that.

And cue all the bleeding hearts to pipe in with, "Oh no, Pat, please don't
go - don't let those awful bullies run you away!" Cue Pat, stage right,
"Well OK, if you insist I stay..." Sheesh!

Pat, forgawdsake - just once stop the drama, killfile whoever is irking you
(I include myself here) and stay on topic about your cats (whom we love
hearing about)!! For once, please???!

Hugs,

CatNipped

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:53:36 -0500, "Pat"
wrote:

Folks, it's past time for me to "quit" this ng. In the past I had the energy
to stay in spite of the hostility of people like JM, but that's no longer
true. If I happen to outlive her, and if the internet as we know it still
exists at that time, and if I still own a computer, I may return, because
cats will always be a big part of my life. Meanwhile, I've got many of you
in my address book and vice versa, and we can continue communicating
privately. I'll always welcome that.

There's a thing called a kill-filter... everyone would save themselves
a lot of hassle if they'd just use it and quit squabbling! You can't
argue with someone if you can't see their posts... If you want to go
Pat, it's your choice.

Pat wrote:
Folks, it's past time for me to "quit" this ng. In the past I had the
energy to stay in spite of the hostility of people like JM, but
that's no longer true. If I happen to outlive her, and if the
internet as we know it still exists at that time, and if I still own
a computer, I may return, because cats will always be a big part of
my life. Meanwhile, I've got many of you in my address book and vice
versa, and we can continue communicating privately. I'll always
welcome that.

I'm JM and if you're too wimpy to accuse me outright, let me set the record
straight. There wouldn't have been any hostility between us if when you
said you were visiting a friend in Memphis you didn't DEMAND a particular
Vietnamese restaurant even though I said hate Vietnamese food. I offered
plenty of alternatives but no, it had to be this Vietnamese restaurant. So
I made excuses about not being available. Why? Because I'm not going to
kowtow to your choice of restaurant when I made it clear I would rather meet
someplace else. You're pretty dense, Pat.

Then you emailed me and asked me to buy the house next door to yours. I
told you I didn't have a job and couldn't move; you didn't seem to think
that was a problem and OH! I'd be closer to John! Sorry but yeah, it's a
problem. I can't move if I don't have any money. And it's a problem I was
willing to tackle. I don't get SSDI. Now look at you, begging for people
to buy your video tapes to help pay bills.

Speaking of problems, you seem to be having lots of them. I really didn't
like your situation with the trailer and Gloria but buying a house didn't
solve your problems, did it? Why didn't you just rent a house away from
her? Sheesh, I'm done with ya'. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Purrs for your cats... at least you take care of them if not yourself.

Jill

"jmcquown" wrote in message
...
Pat wrote:
Folks, it's past time for me to "quit" this ng. In the past I had the
energy to stay in spite of the hostility of people like JM, but
that's no longer true. If I happen to outlive her, and if the
internet as we know it still exists at that time, and if I still own
a computer, I may return, because cats will always be a big part of
my life. Meanwhile, I've got many of you in my address book and vice
versa, and we can continue communicating privately. I'll always
welcome that.

I'm JM and if you're too wimpy to accuse me outright, let me set the
record
straight. There wouldn't have been any hostility between us if when you
said you were visiting a friend in Memphis you didn't DEMAND a particular
Vietnamese restaurant even though I said hate Vietnamese food. I offered
plenty of alternatives but no, it had to be this Vietnamese restaurant.
So
I made excuses about not being available. Why? Because I'm not going to
kowtow to your choice of restaurant when I made it clear I would rather
meet
someplace else. You're pretty dense, Pat.

Then you emailed me and asked me to buy the house next door to yours. I
told you I didn't have a job and couldn't move; you didn't seem to think
that was a problem and OH! I'd be closer to John! Sorry but yeah, it's a
problem. I can't move if I don't have any money. And it's a problem I
was
willing to tackle. I don't get SSDI. Now look at you, begging for people
to buy your video tapes to help pay bills.

Speaking of problems, you seem to be having lots of them. I really didn't
like your situation with the trailer and Gloria but buying a house didn't
solve your problems, did it? Why didn't you just rent a house away from
her? Sheesh, I'm done with ya'. Don't let the door hit you on the way
out.
Purrs for your cats... at least you take care of them if not yourself.


This post is out of order, Jill. Especially this bit:
"Now look at you, begging for people
to buy your video tapes to help pay bills."

I'm surprised at you. Disappointed, too.

Tweed