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Also Isis goes to the cat shows mostly to comepete in the household pet category (HHP) No. YOU force her to compete. Isis couldn't care less about competing in a cat show. This is all about YOU, and you're not taking into consideration what is best for her. and as exhibition because she is one of the powers that be at our station for cats. A photo would do just as well. Again, Isis doesn't give a rip about YOUR radio station and putting her "on display" does not benefit her in any way and is done only for your own selfish purposes. If you really cared about her you'd putyour selfish desires aside and let her stay t home where things are comfortable and familiar. But nooooo you want to drag her on an airplane, put her in a strange place (hotel), then put her on public display in another strange environment so you can promote your station. That's just sad, and it's mean. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray |
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"Cat Protector" wrote in message news:wVzcd.74091$tU4.9865@okepread06... I might be going to a cat show in Las Vegas with my cat Isis and was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to travel with her by air. I have read it isn't good to tranquilize a cat for air travel since it could be problematic. I have also read that bringing the cat as carry-on and being able to fit the carrier under the seat is ideal but have no clue how much room there is under the seat for a carrier. I have a small carrier (not hard but more sherpa bag-like) but am not sure if it is small enough. I am guessing the flight will be an hour or so since I'll be going there from Phoenix. I am concerned that she might need to use the litterbox as well and I am pretty sure they probably won't allow her out for a bathroom break. If I also were to fly I plan on bringing her into the vet before hand so she is checked out and also has her health certificates with me (This is a new vet so I imagine they'll probably give her a rabies shot and others). I am also wondering if travelling by car is better or less stressful as a trip to Vegas is probably at least a 4-6 hour drive by car? I want to do what is less stressful on Isis. She is ok with car travel short distances but I am not sure as it is a much longer distance. I also have never been to Vegas so I am a bit uneasy. Is air travel better than car travel for a cat? If so, which airline is the best to travel with a cat? -- Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com I used to make one round-trip (approximately 1300 miles each way) once or twice a year. I used a tranquilizer the first time, but after seeing how sick it made my cat, I swore never to use one again. Moreover, I soon found that it wasn't needed. My cats would curl up and not make a sound unless I got up to go to the restroom -- then everyone in the plane would hear the one cat calling for me. You should call the specific airline and ask for the underseat dimensions because they do vary. I never had a cat use the litter (and I did include some in the carrier) on the plane. You will also need to make a reservation some time in advance because most airlines will only permit one pet per cabin (and some do not permit it at all, so make your selection carefully). As you already mentioned, you will need a current health certificate; and there are some specific requirements for vaccinations. Now, you mentioned a second possibility -- and I would personally find it much preferable to drive rather than take the plane. In fact, I later began to travel the same distance by car, and I felt that was much less stressful for my cats. All of them travelled very easily by car. The travel time you described won't even be all that much different because you would need to allocate extra time for early arrival at the airport and security checks. I also don't know what the current security requirements are for pets. You should check to see if you will be required to take Isis out of the carrier. If this is a requirement, how do you think she would react to the situation? Above all, *do not* agree to send her ton the converyer-belt where carryon luggage is sent for scanning. I always insisted on having mine hand carried *around* the security area, but that was long before the more rigid security requirements were established after 9/11. Incidentally, I always got health certificates even when travelling by car; some states have very specific requirements. I was never asked to show a health certificate, but I didn't want to take any chances. I always had an open litter box on the floor of the back seat, and I had cat food, water, toys, etc. with me. *None* of my cats ever used the litter box or would eat or drink until we arrived for the evening -- but you want to be prepared. As soon as we arrived at a motel for the night, I would take the litter box in and open the cat food. They would dig right in, and there were never any problems. MaryL |
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"Cat Protector" wrote in message news:wVzcd.74091$tU4.9865@okepread06... I might be going to a cat show in Las Vegas with my cat Isis and was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to travel with her by air. I have read it isn't good to tranquilize a cat for air travel since it could be problematic. I have also read that bringing the cat as carry-on and being able to fit the carrier under the seat is ideal but have no clue how much room there is under the seat for a carrier. I have a small carrier (not hard but more sherpa bag-like) but am not sure if it is small enough. I am guessing the flight will be an hour or so since I'll be going there from Phoenix. I am concerned that she might need to use the litterbox as well and I am pretty sure they probably won't allow her out for a bathroom break. If I also were to fly I plan on bringing her into the vet before hand so she is checked out and also has her health certificates with me (This is a new vet so I imagine they'll probably give her a rabies shot and others). I am also wondering if travelling by car is better or less stressful as a trip to Vegas is probably at least a 4-6 hour drive by car? I want to do what is less stressful on Isis. She is ok with car travel short distances but I am not sure as it is a much longer distance. I also have never been to Vegas so I am a bit uneasy. Is air travel better than car travel for a cat? If so, which airline is the best to travel with a cat? -- Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com I used to make one round-trip (approximately 1300 miles each way) once or twice a year. I used a tranquilizer the first time, but after seeing how sick it made my cat, I swore never to use one again. Moreover, I soon found that it wasn't needed. My cats would curl up and not make a sound unless I got up to go to the restroom -- then everyone in the plane would hear the one cat calling for me. You should call the specific airline and ask for the underseat dimensions because they do vary. I never had a cat use the litter (and I did include some in the carrier) on the plane. You will also need to make a reservation some time in advance because most airlines will only permit one pet per cabin (and some do not permit it at all, so make your selection carefully). As you already mentioned, you will need a current health certificate; and there are some specific requirements for vaccinations. Now, you mentioned a second possibility -- and I would personally find it much preferable to drive rather than take the plane. In fact, I later began to travel the same distance by car, and I felt that was much less stressful for my cats. All of them travelled very easily by car. The travel time you described won't even be all that much different because you would need to allocate extra time for early arrival at the airport and security checks. I also don't know what the current security requirements are for pets. You should check to see if you will be required to take Isis out of the carrier. If this is a requirement, how do you think she would react to the situation? Above all, *do not* agree to send her ton the converyer-belt where carryon luggage is sent for scanning. I always insisted on having mine hand carried *around* the security area, but that was long before the more rigid security requirements were established after 9/11. Incidentally, I always got health certificates even when travelling by car; some states have very specific requirements. I was never asked to show a health certificate, but I didn't want to take any chances. I always had an open litter box on the floor of the back seat, and I had cat food, water, toys, etc. with me. *None* of my cats ever used the litter box or would eat or drink until we arrived for the evening -- but you want to be prepared. As soon as we arrived at a motel for the night, I would take the litter box in and open the cat food. They would dig right in, and there were never any problems. MaryL |
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CP. Please. Isis is a cat. She doesn't run a radio station, and she doesn't go to cat shows to compete. You drag her there. She's a cat. She wasn't socialized at cat shows as a kitten, and it's going to be very stressful for her. Remember the last cat show you took her to? Remember telling us all how she got nervous and hissed? Taking her *out of state* to a cat show is mean. If you want a nice outing with her, wait for a local show. You're doing this for Noehl Rosen, not for Isis. You're right on the money, Sherry, and I agree this is a really mean thing to do to Isis. I did a google and found the post describing Isis at the cat show. It makes me sick to think he would force her to go through this after what happened before. In this excerpt, it is patently obvious that he's forcing her into something she does not want and his winning *something* is more important.: "The fourth ring though one of the cats in the cage next to her was hissing and took a swipe at the judge which then set off Isis who was hissing, growling, nipping, and swatting. It took a while to get her out of the cage but I brought her back to where she was benched and was able to calm her down a bit. I was able to bring her back to be judged and she got 10th Best HHP. The cat which set her off got 7th. The next day with the incident still on her mind Isis was hissing when I put her in the cage in the fifth ring but not swatting and she placed 10th Best HHP again. The sixth ring she placed 10th Best HHP because the judge allowed me to calm Isis down. She didn't want to go into the cage so I felt it was better to just withdrawl but the judge was flexible and allowed me to calm Isis down and bring her back to the ring. The seventh ring she also was hissing and the judge took her first before she ever went into the cage as I told him about the previous day's episode. She placed 10th Best HHP but it was the sweetest 10th because Isis may have been hissing but she wasn't swatting or biting. I used Feliway which helped a little bit as well. But clearly by the 6th ring she was turning around. When I took her back to her cage and gave her canned Friskies she was eating that and of course took a lick of cream cheese off my bagle. I also made a big fuss over her and praised her and told her what a great kitty she was. The last ring Isis placed 7th Best HHP and I was really happy because even though she hissed a little she was very good with the judge who saw she had a pretty sweet disposition. The cat which set her off in the 4th ring got 10th because his human had to be up there with him when the judge showed him off. Also Isis was not benched near this cat and I requested Isis be put in the very last cage. I think it made a slight difference because Isis had her back to everyone and she just seemed to focus on something other than the other cats, the crowd or the judge. Also this judge did not count her slight attitude against her so much because she seemed to understand Isis was somewhat of a nervous cat." It is SO obvious Isis does NOT WANT TO BE THERE, but, as usual, CP ignores the obvious. If he really cared about Isis and not his own selfish desires he'd leave her at home. This sentence is particulary telling: "I think it made a slight difference because Isis had her back to everyone and she just seemed to focus on something other than the other cats, the crowd or the judge." That pretty much covers everything where she was and poor Isis was probably trying to beam herself home. :-( CP should be ashamed of himself for forcing Isis to suffer such trauma. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray |
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Sherry wrote:
CP. Please. Isis is a cat. She doesn't run a radio station, and she doesn't go to cat shows to compete. You drag her there. She's a cat. She wasn't socialized at cat shows as a kitten, and it's going to be very stressful for her. Remember the last cat show you took her to? Remember telling us all how she got nervous and hissed? Taking her *out of state* to a cat show is mean. If you want a nice outing with her, wait for a local show. You're doing this for Noehl Rosen, not for Isis. You're right on the money, Sherry, and I agree this is a really mean thing to do to Isis. I did a google and found the post describing Isis at the cat show. It makes me sick to think he would force her to go through this after what happened before. In this excerpt, it is patently obvious that he's forcing her into something she does not want and his winning *something* is more important.: "The fourth ring though one of the cats in the cage next to her was hissing and took a swipe at the judge which then set off Isis who was hissing, growling, nipping, and swatting. It took a while to get her out of the cage but I brought her back to where she was benched and was able to calm her down a bit. I was able to bring her back to be judged and she got 10th Best HHP. The cat which set her off got 7th. The next day with the incident still on her mind Isis was hissing when I put her in the cage in the fifth ring but not swatting and she placed 10th Best HHP again. The sixth ring she placed 10th Best HHP because the judge allowed me to calm Isis down. She didn't want to go into the cage so I felt it was better to just withdrawl but the judge was flexible and allowed me to calm Isis down and bring her back to the ring. The seventh ring she also was hissing and the judge took her first before she ever went into the cage as I told him about the previous day's episode. She placed 10th Best HHP but it was the sweetest 10th because Isis may have been hissing but she wasn't swatting or biting. I used Feliway which helped a little bit as well. But clearly by the 6th ring she was turning around. When I took her back to her cage and gave her canned Friskies she was eating that and of course took a lick of cream cheese off my bagle. I also made a big fuss over her and praised her and told her what a great kitty she was. The last ring Isis placed 7th Best HHP and I was really happy because even though she hissed a little she was very good with the judge who saw she had a pretty sweet disposition. The cat which set her off in the 4th ring got 10th because his human had to be up there with him when the judge showed him off. Also Isis was not benched near this cat and I requested Isis be put in the very last cage. I think it made a slight difference because Isis had her back to everyone and she just seemed to focus on something other than the other cats, the crowd or the judge. Also this judge did not count her slight attitude against her so much because she seemed to understand Isis was somewhat of a nervous cat." It is SO obvious Isis does NOT WANT TO BE THERE, but, as usual, CP ignores the obvious. If he really cared about Isis and not his own selfish desires he'd leave her at home. This sentence is particulary telling: "I think it made a slight difference because Isis had her back to everyone and she just seemed to focus on something other than the other cats, the crowd or the judge." That pretty much covers everything where she was and poor Isis was probably trying to beam herself home. :-( CP should be ashamed of himself for forcing Isis to suffer such trauma. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray |
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On 17 Oct 2004 21:23:20 GMT, (Luvskats00) wrote:
"Cat Protector" writes I might be going to a cat show in Las Vegas with my cat Isis and was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to travel with her by air. There are several cat carriers that adhere to the airline regulations for under the seat "storage". Before you even do that, though, book the flight where you get confirmation that the airline allows you to travel with your cat. Under no circumstances EVER EVER EVER surrender your cat to the cargo area...even if they stand on their head and swear that it's the cargo area that's safe for pets....don't do it. If necessary, don't go on the flight if they don't let you travel with your cat. As far as being tranquilized, you'll have to discuss that with your vet if that's a good idea. Good luck! my b/f and i were thinking of taking Shaina to Vancouver from NYC, when we go there for winter break, but we don't think that she'd appreciate the 5 hr flight, even in the cabin. my friend traveled from NYC to LA with a small dog and had him sedated. i can't imagine she'd be comfortable like that. -L |
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It is obvious that some of you don't approve of cat shows but I happen to
like them. Isis does care about the station because she helped create it. She does the shows because people can become more educated about cats and her story has a great chance of being told like a lot of cats that were adopted from shelters. Her going to the shows can help promote cats being adopted which is one of the other reasons. I have to wonder if those on here who object to cat shows are willing to go to one and tell those that exhibit there that it is bad for the cat? -- Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com wrote in message ... No. YOU force her to compete. Isis couldn't care less about competing in a cat show. This is all about YOU, and you're not taking into consideration what is best for her. and as exhibition because she is one of the powers that be at our station for cats. A photo would do just as well. Again, Isis doesn't give a rip about YOUR radio station and putting her "on display" does not benefit her in any way and is done only for your own selfish purposes. If you really cared about her you'd putyour selfish desires aside and let her stay t home where things are comfortable and familiar. But nooooo you want to drag her on an airplane, put her in a strange place (hotel), then put her on public display in another strange environment so you can promote your station. That's just sad, and it's mean. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray |
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It is obvious that some of you don't approve of cat shows but I happen to
like them. Isis does care about the station because she helped create it. She does the shows because people can become more educated about cats and her story has a great chance of being told like a lot of cats that were adopted from shelters. Her going to the shows can help promote cats being adopted which is one of the other reasons. I have to wonder if those on here who object to cat shows are willing to go to one and tell those that exhibit there that it is bad for the cat? -- Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com wrote in message ... No. YOU force her to compete. Isis couldn't care less about competing in a cat show. This is all about YOU, and you're not taking into consideration what is best for her. and as exhibition because she is one of the powers that be at our station for cats. A photo would do just as well. Again, Isis doesn't give a rip about YOUR radio station and putting her "on display" does not benefit her in any way and is done only for your own selfish purposes. If you really cared about her you'd putyour selfish desires aside and let her stay t home where things are comfortable and familiar. But nooooo you want to drag her on an airplane, put her in a strange place (hotel), then put her on public display in another strange environment so you can promote your station. That's just sad, and it's mean. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray |
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Actually Isis has become used to being shown since that time and was on a TV
show where they were showing other cats. She knew they were there and actually came out of here carrier and did not hide. She also was not nervous with the hussle and bussle. It's amazing that people will go back to a Google from almost two years ago when a lot has changed since then. Cats get used to being shown and Isis has no problems since that show. If you cared about the facts you would have also read that she did well up until the time that a cat that wasn't supposed to be in the ring next to her took a swipe at one of the judges which she saw and that was what set her off. People I didn't come here to debate whether or not cats should be at cat shows but whether or not flying or driving was less stressful on the cat and to get advice on the subject. I don't need a lecture nor do I need the bad mouthing. Just travel tips. -- Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com wrote in message ... You're right on the money, Sherry, and I agree this is a really mean thing to do to Isis. I did a google and found the post describing Isis at the cat show. It makes me sick to think he would force her to go through this after what happened before. In this excerpt, it is patently obvious that he's forcing her into something she does not want and his winning *something* is more important.: "The fourth ring though one of the cats in the cage next to her was hissing and took a swipe at the judge which then set off Isis who was hissing, growling, nipping, and swatting. It took a while to get her out of the cage but I brought her back to where she was benched and was able to calm her down a bit. I was able to bring her back to be judged and she got 10th Best HHP. The cat which set her off got 7th. The next day with the incident still on her mind Isis was hissing when I put her in the cage in the fifth ring but not swatting and she placed 10th Best HHP again. The sixth ring she placed 10th Best HHP because the judge allowed me to calm Isis down. She didn't want to go into the cage so I felt it was better to just withdrawl but the judge was flexible and allowed me to calm Isis down and bring her back to the ring. The seventh ring she also was hissing and the judge took her first before she ever went into the cage as I told him about the previous day's episode. She placed 10th Best HHP but it was the sweetest 10th because Isis may have been hissing but she wasn't swatting or biting. I used Feliway which helped a little bit as well. But clearly by the 6th ring she was turning around. When I took her back to her cage and gave her canned Friskies she was eating that and of course took a lick of cream cheese off my bagle. I also made a big fuss over her and praised her and told her what a great kitty she was. The last ring Isis placed 7th Best HHP and I was really happy because even though she hissed a little she was very good with the judge who saw she had a pretty sweet disposition. The cat which set her off in the 4th ring got 10th because his human had to be up there with him when the judge showed him off. Also Isis was not benched near this cat and I requested Isis be put in the very last cage. I think it made a slight difference because Isis had her back to everyone and she just seemed to focus on something other than the other cats, the crowd or the judge. Also this judge did not count her slight attitude against her so much because she seemed to understand Isis was somewhat of a nervous cat." It is SO obvious Isis does NOT WANT TO BE THERE, but, as usual, CP ignores the obvious. If he really cared about Isis and not his own selfish desires he'd leave her at home. This sentence is particulary telling: "I think it made a slight difference because Isis had her back to everyone and she just seemed to focus on something other than the other cats, the crowd or the judge." That pretty much covers everything where she was and poor Isis was probably trying to beam herself home. :-( CP should be ashamed of himself for forcing Isis to suffer such trauma. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray |
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