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On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 01:24:28 -0500, Cory's nimble, little paws typed:
There isn't any way possible for RPCC to continue its traditions without any change at all. Kitties come and go now, for whatever reason, on an almost routine basis. There are many, many, many reasons for that. gennle snippy RPCC is NOT the same group that it was back in the day when it was RPC, and we had to preface our headers with "MEOW", so that those that wanted to filter out our meowchat could do so. Some people will say that in some ways, RPCC is a better group. Some will say that, in some ways, it's not as fun for some people (having said this, there ARE valid reasons that some RPC folks stopped posting, other than it just wasn't fun anymore [lost internet access at work... don't have the time anymore... there are even some people who still cannot access RPCC through their ISP or newsgroup provider, even though it's been around for a long time now. Some news feeds just don't carry it.]). I personally prefer to just think that RPCC is different these days... not in terms of "better" or "worse". You also have to remember, too, that people change as they grow older. What was once upon a time fun just isn't anymore... not because it's turned "bad", so to speak, but because the people have simply outgrown that kind of fun (which is what I think has happened to me, to some degree, as I've gotten older). Another reason things have changed is because kitties' likes and dislikes change over time, as well, not to mention that there ARE a LOT of newer kitties in the newsgroup. That, right there, will "shift" the interests of the group, and that's not a bad thing at all, I feel. Indeed, Unka Cory, I agrees wif dis. Every kitty and hooman that *posts* here should feel welcome and have fun being here, and if that isn't the case for you anymore, then it's time to bow out gracefully, rather than ruining a fun time for everyone else. --- Unca Cory A furry insitefull post, Unka Cory datz rite on! Fings grow an change becawze dat'z the flow ov life. An itz impurrtant to catsider da size of da groop: dere are purrhaps 12 hoomanz at most who post and participate in 'venturez an da like durink da yeer, an mabee six or eight on any giffen day. An dis makes it hard to keep da groop alive... Fangu fur postink dis; it was gud to heer a voice ov reason. -- Purrs, Mme. Anaïs 11/3/2007 1:45:34 PM |
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Binkley (RB), Opus (RB) and Frieda (RB) always thought so, dey were
round before da split, an past on lots of storiez. Weze think dis is a furry magical place too, Margaret. Booker, Chappy and Snowflake Ms. Tess wrote: RPCC is and always has been a magical place. Margaret |
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On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 13:08:00 -0600, "squiffer"
wrote: Do Meitze really want to retire? Maybe Meitze thinks other kitties thinks she shood retire? Inkwiring kat wants to know. Burt Dis kitty do NOT want Mietze tu retire. Shood dere be a petition? Tess : : Deer Mietze, : : I just wants tu fank you an Anti Melissa fur all yur gudgud werk offur : da yeers. Da Jellicle Ball iz furry important tu ourz kommunity an da : Calling ov Names iz da most solemnist moment ov da yeer. : : Yu hab earned yur retirement an it will be furry hard fur anykitty tu : fill yur pawprints. : : An I hopes yu rilly know dat yu didn make eny mistake, da kommunity : counted on yu tu do it fur uz. : : Tess, raising a glass of nipwine to toast Mietze and Melissa : : The mistake I made was not asking after every Ball whether anyone else : wanted to do it, but instead went right back to collecting names, : caught in the circle. It's meant a lot to me to perform what I : believe to be a valuable service to the community, but it was never : *mine* to keep. : : Mietze wasn't going to announce this for a week or two, but this is as : good a place as any. She has retired as Gatherer and Caller of Names : effective immediately. The position is officially open. : : Melissa |
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Ms. Tess wrote: On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 13:08:00 -0600, "squiffer" wrote: Do Meitze really want to retire? Maybe Meitze thinks other kitties thinks she shood retire? Inkwiring kat wants to know. Burt Dis kitty do NOT want Mietze tu retire. Shood dere be a petition? Tess We sign: Booker, Chappy an Snowflake |
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this is the type of information we need, history/why... now I guess having
read all of this we need it figure out now who will call the names next year and who can help the new caller collect them, Lee The Clowder (South) wrote in message ... "Stormmee" wrote: [small snip, but thank you and everyone who's said kind things.] I always wondered how the ball started, how the calling got started, Melissa is the only one I ever saw do it and I wondered how that came to be, if there had been someone before, why/how did it change... just like I wondered when reading the glossary for the first time who could be that creative and wonderful to catalog all of that... the point is, I think the group is filled with love and I think that some of us are sensitive to keeping traditions alive, and others of us want to understand the traditions keep them and add to the life here at the community, soft fur her cats "Add to the life"....YESSSSSSS! I would *love* to see new stuff added to the Ball. The important thing to remember is that this is a *creation*. People thought about things to do and then threw it out there to see what would work, what would stick. For the first two Balls, the Calling was just a list. I think Gretchen Marie posted them, but GM was also doing so much else for the Ball, (and has ever since...now *she*, and her successor Little Kitty deserve an enormous amount of credit and applause) and nothing was said about the Calling and who was going to do it for the third Ball. So, Mietze volunteered, and added a speech. The idea was to make the Calling also a brief Tribute to all of the Honorees on the list, in case some didn't have individual Tributes in the days that followed. Another idea, which came along later (but not much later) was Laura Ann's guestbook, now done by the current spokeskitty from Laura's House. It's one of those ideas that stuck, people have fun with it, and, after Laura died it's become a small tribute in itself to her. As far as I'm concerned, it belongs to that House to do until they choose to hand it off, or the Ball is discontinued, because they created it in the first place. I thought it was a lovely touch, having Piglet join Ralph & Kissa at the table this year. Melissa -- Remove the first m to reply |
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very interesting, thanks, Lee
The Clowder (South) wrote in message ... "Stormmee" wrote: I find that interesting and I just guess you had to be there, why were there flame wars? was it an issue as to splitting in the first place or was it an issue as to how to split? soft I got internet access in 93 or 94, and one of my happiest discoveries (and first addiction) was rec.pets.cats. It was a busy group then, and this was a couple of years before AOL offered Usenet access, before the big ISPs like Earthlink and the rest existed. People were online mostly through school, work, or if they were lucky enough that a local provider existed in their area. Round about 95 or 96, access started to be easier to obtain, more people got online via home computers, and Usenet groups across the board got measurably more active. *Everything* about cats was discussed in rec.pets.cats, and in 95 some of the regulars started amusing themselves by having the cats take over the keyboard and talk to each other. This did *not* amuse some of the other users. As the Mietze would say...oh no, not wun bit!. In order to circumvent some of the complaints, the word "MEOW" was added to the each header so that users who didn't want their serious stuff cluttered up could use their newsreader software to killfile those posts. Forgetting to do this resulted in predictable, usually nasty reminders. And so to the split. "Volume" was the official reason given. Because groups which begin with the word "rec" are one of the "big 8" groups, there's a whole long procedure that has to be followed to create, split or remove one. (These are groups starting with comp, talk, news, rec, humanities, can't think of the others offhand, but not "alt") There were votes on r.p.c on whether to split at all, and when those were tallied there were enough "yes" votes to start the process. Then the whole thing had to shifted over to one of the news.* groups where the charters for each subgroup were hashed out, with everything (including the names) were rejected or ok'd by the high poobahs there. For awhile, it was looking like the meowers were going to be sanctioned only in the *anecdotes group, which would have left us in the same position of antagonizing those who just don't get it. "r.p.c.meowchat" was indeed a suggested name, but was tossed (by meowers) for the very reason Cory suggested...too much of a target. I also think a lot of us were pretty tired of that stupid "MEOW" in the header, it made you feel like a pariah, so why would we want the whole group marked with a scarlet A? My personal favorite among the suggested names was "clowder", but a high poohbah news.groupie vetoed it because he didn't know what it meant. Since a split was inevitable by that point (many meowers really didn't want the split at all), "community" was the best compromise arrived at and approved. And that's the Cliff Notes version of how we got here. :-) Melissa -- Remove the first m to reply |
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Weed syn it!
Sebastian anna Joolian hoo dont bisit much but still reed frum tym tu tym "Ms. Tess" wrote in message ... On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 13:08:00 -0600, "squiffer" wrote: Do Meitze really want to retire? Maybe Meitze thinks other kitties thinks she shood retire? Inkwiring kat wants to know. Burt Dis kitty do NOT want Mietze tu retire. Shood dere be a petition? Tess : : Deer Mietze, : : I just wants tu fank you an Anti Melissa fur all yur gudgud werk offur : da yeers. Da Jellicle Ball iz furry important tu ourz kommunity an da : Calling ov Names iz da most solemnist moment ov da yeer. : : Yu hab earned yur retirement an it will be furry hard fur anykitty tu : fill yur pawprints. : : An I hopes yu rilly know dat yu didn make eny mistake, da kommunity : counted on yu tu do it fur uz. : : Tess, raising a glass of nipwine to toast Mietze and Melissa : : The mistake I made was not asking after every Ball whether anyone else : wanted to do it, but instead went right back to collecting names, : caught in the circle. It's meant a lot to me to perform what I : believe to be a valuable service to the community, but it was never : *mine* to keep. : : Mietze wasn't going to announce this for a week or two, but this is as : good a place as any. She has retired as Gatherer and Caller of Names : effective immediately. The position is officially open. : : Melissa |
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Weeze poppin in agin.
Meowmie uset tu be a regular heer an inna rpc befur da split. Mine doptid meowmie Cygne (RB) an I tuk part in mani an adbenchure such az da Great Cadburry Hunt and da Jet Ski Race. Princess Pasha an I effen had a whirld wide birthday parti heer. Den stuff happin. Hoomin parintz died, noosgroop connekshun lost at werk an at home, hoomin's toona compani maykes hur werk harder. Weze onna a cupla kittie meowlists anna chat dere. We kame bak a yeer or tu ago and we din no ani kitti ahardlee ani more. Itz hard tu take part wen yoo don no ani bodi. Sebastian "Mme. Anaïs ^..^" wrote in message ... On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 01:24:28 -0500, Cory's nimble, little paws typed: There isn't any way possible for RPCC to continue its traditions without any change at all. Kitties come and go now, for whatever reason, on an almost routine basis. There are many, many, many reasons for that. gennle snippy RPCC is NOT the same group that it was back in the day when it was RPC, and we had to preface our headers with "MEOW", so that those that wanted to filter out our meowchat could do so. Some people will say that in some ways, RPCC is a better group. Some will say that, in some ways, it's not as fun for some people (having said this, there ARE valid reasons that some RPC folks stopped posting, other than it just wasn't fun anymore [lost internet access at work... don't have the time anymore... there are even some people who still cannot access RPCC through their ISP or newsgroup provider, even though it's been around for a long time now. Some news feeds just don't carry it.]). I personally prefer to just think that RPCC is different these days... not in terms of "better" or "worse". You also have to remember, too, that people change as they grow older. What was once upon a time fun just isn't anymore... not because it's turned "bad", so to speak, but because the people have simply outgrown that kind of fun (which is what I think has happened to me, to some degree, as I've gotten older). Another reason things have changed is because kitties' likes and dislikes change over time, as well, not to mention that there ARE a LOT of newer kitties in the newsgroup. That, right there, will "shift" the interests of the group, and that's not a bad thing at all, I feel. Indeed, Unka Cory, I agrees wif dis. Every kitty and hooman that *posts* here should feel welcome and have fun being here, and if that isn't the case for you anymore, then it's time to bow out gracefully, rather than ruining a fun time for everyone else. --- Unca Cory A furry insitefull post, Unka Cory datz rite on! Fings grow an change becawze dat'z the flow ov life. An itz impurrtant to catsider da size of da groop: dere are purrhaps 12 hoomanz at most who post and participate in 'venturez an da like durink da yeer, an mabee six or eight on any giffen day. An dis makes it hard to keep da groop alive... Fangu fur postink dis; it was gud to heer a voice ov reason. -- Purrs, Mme. Anaïs 11/3/2007 1:45:34 PM |
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oh, wow, I'm also from the old group preceding rpcc and Unca Cory makes some great points. Two of his points though are based on a misunderstanding. Let me reference those two: _____________________________________ 1. An Rpcc'er wrote: : I have been so impressed by the quality of writing that happens in our : events, especially the Jellical Ball and wedwinks...the narratives have been : so meaningful, and I have been remiss in not saying so quite often. At this : Jellical Ball, I even cut-and-pasted much of it, to read from time to time. : : I would be very happy and contented to see the traditions of rpcc continue : without any change at all, Then Cory wrote: : There isn't any way possible for RPCC to continue its traditions without : any change at all. Kitties come and go now, for whatever reason, on an : almost routine basis. __________________________________________________ ____ I believe this refers to wanting to keep Meitze/Melissa in charge of the "Calling of the names" that takes place at the Jellicle Ball and of course, "The Walk" and that's all. All other changes are inevitable, welcome and interesting. I also want to keep Melissa in that role. Kathy G __________________________________________________ _ 2. Cory wrote: :I don't mean or want to speak for any kitty or hooman, but the new : kitties who've joined RPCC in recent years since the split ARE welcome : here, IMNSHO. We ARE glad to have you here, and we DO want the new : kitties to feel welcome and join in or start activities that are fun, : not only for the rest of the group, but for the individual kitties, I : believe. ____________________________________________ Holy Bast, Unca Cory, where on earth did you get the idea that new kitties aren't welcome? Good grief! Of course they are. Why else did we survive those flame wars and the battle with the officials that tried to deny us this group? We fought to make this group a reality for all kitties who want to meowchat. You gotta remember that war. It was hard and it was serious. And now there is an rpccc and all meowchatters have it as their home. All is the operative word. That would be the Old Meowchatters, the New Meowchatters and the left-over Meowchatters. I've been following the Wedwink and it's delightful. Did you know that the very first Wedwink was between Dolores' Thaddeus and my Lily? Before that everyone had winkwink bonds, but Lily's Maw, Frau Freya, was an old fashioned cat and insisted on a wedwink, so we did it. Anyway, I sure do hope that we are all welcome here - that was the purpose in creating this group, after all. KathyG : --- Unca Cory |
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That's how I remember it. Somehow I got on the newsgroups at work through
Netscape. I remember how angry the non meowers got at us. We were proficient posters back then. I remember my computer dying the week before Sebastian and Princess Pasha's big 4th of July birthday party. I was madder than a wet...cat! We had planned this for months! We had a spot picked out, invitations, catering (remember S&S Catering?), it was a much work as planning a "real" party! I ended up renting a laptop. The kitties from Howland were the first to arrive. But I digress... The MEOW typed in front was tried for a while but it was a pain and there was still the volume. Then the split happened per Melissa's description below. Stacey "The Clowder (South)" wrote in message ... "Stormmee" wrote: I find that interesting and I just guess you had to be there, why were there flame wars? was it an issue as to splitting in the first place or was it an issue as to how to split? soft I got internet access in 93 or 94, and one of my happiest discoveries (and first addiction) was rec.pets.cats. It was a busy group then, and this was a couple of years before AOL offered Usenet access, before the big ISPs like Earthlink and the rest existed. People were online mostly through school, work, or if they were lucky enough that a local provider existed in their area. Round about 95 or 96, access started to be easier to obtain, more people got online via home computers, and Usenet groups across the board got measurably more active. *Everything* about cats was discussed in rec.pets.cats, and in 95 some of the regulars started amusing themselves by having the cats take over the keyboard and talk to each other. This did *not* amuse some of the other users. As the Mietze would say...oh no, not wun bit!. In order to circumvent some of the complaints, the word "MEOW" was added to the each header so that users who didn't want their serious stuff cluttered up could use their newsreader software to killfile those posts. Forgetting to do this resulted in predictable, usually nasty reminders. And so to the split. "Volume" was the official reason given. Because groups which begin with the word "rec" are one of the "big 8" groups, there's a whole long procedure that has to be followed to create, split or remove one. (These are groups starting with comp, talk, news, rec, humanities, can't think of the others offhand, but not "alt") There were votes on r.p.c on whether to split at all, and when those were tallied there were enough "yes" votes to start the process. Then the whole thing had to shifted over to one of the news.* groups where the charters for each subgroup were hashed out, with everything (including the names) were rejected or ok'd by the high poobahs there. For awhile, it was looking like the meowers were going to be sanctioned only in the *anecdotes group, which would have left us in the same position of antagonizing those who just don't get it. "r.p.c.meowchat" was indeed a suggested name, but was tossed (by meowers) for the very reason Cory suggested...too much of a target. I also think a lot of us were pretty tired of that stupid "MEOW" in the header, it made you feel like a pariah, so why would we want the whole group marked with a scarlet A? My personal favorite among the suggested names was "clowder", but a high poohbah news.groupie vetoed it because he didn't know what it meant. Since a split was inevitable by that point (many meowers really didn't want the split at all), "community" was the best compromise arrived at and approved. And that's the Cliff Notes version of how we got here. :-) Melissa -- Remove the first m to reply |
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