If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#71
|
|||
|
|||
Fences - Cats - DIY?
David E. Ross wrote:
On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. Well, there you are. In my case, I see millions of pitiful little (furry and otherwise) creatures freezing and starving ivery Winter, and forced to watch their children freeze and starve before them) All done by a pitiless and uncaring God who created this miserable mess and yet is, "worshipped" (in abject fear) by billions of stupid folk. So, in my own small way, I try to do what I can to help at least the few that I find in my limited area. I could care less how they treat my potted plants. So, to each his own. I am truely sorry for your plants, and I understand your position completely. Its a pity that you can't understand mine. |
#72
|
|||
|
|||
Fences - Cats - DIY?
Rick wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:54:21 -0700, "David E. Ross" wrote: On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. Cats aren't too big a problem in my garden, but a group of feral cats has really played Hobb with the wild turkey population on one of the tracts. Coyotes seem to keep them thinned in the warmer months and I suspect winter is hard on them as they don't seem to migrate. I hope they all succumb this year so I don't have to try and deal with it. The wild turkeys around here are much too large to interest any house cat. Also, I have never seen a house cat team up with another house cat to accomplish anything. Cats are the ultimate loners and don't, "team up" I also will take this opportunity to suggest that anyone who grows anything outside has to worry about bird poop as well as a myriad of other harmful insects and animals, and shouled wash all his veggies thouroughly before eating them. It doesn't matter whether he is washing off cat or bird poop, as long as he washes it off, and ( preferably) cooks everything before eating it. |
#73
|
|||
|
|||
Fences - Cats - DIY?
Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 10/27/2012 11:35 AM, Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Responsible cat owners who want their pets to experience the outdoors have a number of options that will permit cats to safely do so, and without posing a nuisance to neighbors. Permanent solutions: fence their yard or build a catio. Temporary solutions are Kittywalks and pet pup tents. Both are made of heavy mesh, fold for storage, and are appropriate for use under direct supervision. They won't protect a cat from a predator, so the owner should only use them when s/he is at home and able to keep an eye on the cat(s). When you get to your heaven, find a black cat named, "B-K" and ask him if he would rather have lived twice as long in a cage..... |
#74
|
|||
|
|||
Fences - Cats - DIY?
On 10/30/12 1:41 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Rick wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:54:21 -0700, "David E. Ross" wrote: On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. Cats aren't too big a problem in my garden, but a group of feral cats has really played Hobb with the wild turkey population on one of the tracts. Coyotes seem to keep them thinned in the warmer months and I suspect winter is hard on them as they don't seem to migrate. I hope they all succumb this year so I don't have to try and deal with it. The wild turkeys around here are much too large to interest any house cat. Also, I have never seen a house cat team up with another house cat to accomplish anything. Cats are the ultimate loners and don't, "team up" I also will take this opportunity to suggest that anyone who grows anything outside has to worry about bird poop as well as a myriad of other harmful insects and animals, and shouled wash all his veggies thouroughly before eating them. It doesn't matter whether he is washing off cat or bird poop, as long as he washes it off, and ( preferably) cooks everything before eating it. The problem is NOT the poop. The problem is that cats dig toilets for their poop. The digging destroys parts of my garden. Birds do not dig toilets. -- David E. Ross Climate: California Mediterranean, see http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary |
#75
|
|||
|
|||
Fences - Cats - DIY?
David E. Ross wrote:
On 10/30/12 1:41 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Rick wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:54:21 -0700, "David E. Ross" wrote: On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. Cats aren't too big a problem in my garden, but a group of feral cats has really played Hobb with the wild turkey population on one of the tracts. Coyotes seem to keep them thinned in the warmer months and I suspect winter is hard on them as they don't seem to migrate. I hope they all succumb this year so I don't have to try and deal with it. The wild turkeys around here are much too large to interest any house cat. Also, I have never seen a house cat team up with another house cat to accomplish anything. Cats are the ultimate loners and don't, "team up" I also will take this opportunity to suggest that anyone who grows anything outside has to worry about bird poop as well as a myriad of other harmful insects and animals, and shouled wash all his veggies thouroughly before eating them. It doesn't matter whether he is washing off cat or bird poop, as long as he washes it off, and ( preferably) cooks everything before eating it. The problem is NOT the poop. The problem is that cats dig toilets for their poop. The digging destroys parts of my garden. Birds do not dig toilets. But this is one of the nicest things about cats... The facy yhat they bury their droppings. Dogs don't do this. In fact, very few other animals do this. And, it constitutes great fertilizer for the plants, too. The repair process is minimal. It would only take a few minutes a day to clean up after a half dozen cats. Most of our cats,use the cat box we keep inside the house, even though they have access to the outside 24/7. Even the former feral cat hardly ever goes outside. Have you tried putting a cat box near your plants? I bet whichever cat is "destroying" your plants would love to use it.... |
#76
|
|||
|
|||
Fences - Cats - DIY?
On 10/30/2012 1:41 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Rick wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:54:21 -0700, "David E. Ross" wrote: On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. Cats aren't too big a problem in my garden, but a group of feral cats has really played Hobb with the wild turkey population on one of the tracts. Coyotes seem to keep them thinned in the warmer months and I suspect winter is hard on them as they don't seem to migrate. I hope they all succumb this year so I don't have to try and deal with it. The wild turkeys around here are much too large to interest any house cat. Also, I have never seen a house cat team up with another house cat to accomplish anything. Cats are the ultimate loners and don't, "team up" I also will take this opportunity to suggest that anyone who grows anything outside has to worry about bird poop as well as a myriad of other harmful insects and animals, and shouled wash all his veggies thouroughly before eating them. It doesn't matter whether he is washing off cat or bird poop, as long as he washes it off, and ( preferably) cooks everything before eating it. lion prides in the wild cooperate in hunting all the time. |
#77
|
|||
|
|||
Fences - Cats - DIY?
chaniarts wrote:
On 10/30/2012 1:41 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Rick wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:54:21 -0700, "David E. Ross" wrote: On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. Cats aren't too big a problem in my garden, but a group of feral cats has really played Hobb with the wild turkey population on one of the tracts. Coyotes seem to keep them thinned in the warmer months and I suspect winter is hard on them as they don't seem to migrate. I hope they all succumb this year so I don't have to try and deal with it. The wild turkeys around here are much too large to interest any house cat. Also, I have never seen a house cat team up with another house cat to accomplish anything. Cats are the ultimate loners and don't, "team up" I also will take this opportunity to suggest that anyone who grows anything outside has to worry about bird poop as well as a myriad of other harmful insects and animals, and shouled wash all his veggies thouroughly before eating them. It doesn't matter whether he is washing off cat or bird poop, as long as he washes it off, and ( preferably) cooks everything before eating it. lion prides in the wild cooperate in hunting all the time. Yes. They are one of the exceptions. Cheetas also will team up with their brothers, sometimes for life. but house cats seldom team up for anything. Although sometimes I will catch two of mine chasing a strange cat away from our property, and they occasionally will tear into an unopened bag of dry food on my kitchen floor... Usually, however, one will do all the work, and the others will just watch and wait until they can take their share of the booty..... |
#78
|
|||
|
|||
Fences - Cats - DIY?
Rick wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:41:59 -0700, "Bill Graham" wrote: Rick wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:54:21 -0700, "David E. Ross" wrote: On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. Cats aren't too big a problem in my garden, but a group of feral cats has really played Hobb with the wild turkey population on one of the tracts. Coyotes seem to keep them thinned in the warmer months and I suspect winter is hard on them as they don't seem to migrate. I hope they all succumb this year so I don't have to try and deal with it. The wild turkeys around here are much too large to interest any house cat. Also, I have never seen a house cat team up with another house cat to accomplish anything. Cats are the ultimate loners and don't, "team up" I also will take this opportunity to suggest that anyone who grows anything outside has to worry about bird poop as well as a myriad of other harmful insects and animals, and shouled wash all his veggies thouroughly before eating them. It doesn't matter whether he is washing off cat or bird poop, as long as he washes it off, and ( preferably) cooks everything before eating it. I hope I'm not out of line here and that you've had the talk with your dad- All big turkeys come from little turkeys and little turkeys come from eggs that are laid in nests on the ground. The added pedators seem to have overwhelmed the local turkeys. The adults are fine. I have barn cats that do good work for me, but they can't breed and don't hang out in the woods killing anything that moves for the fun of it; which is the nature of domestic cats. I had one that didn't kill his toys... He just brought them in the house and let them go, so he could play with them. We had a chipmonk living in our kitchen, under the stove, for about two months last Winter. My wife left squirrel food out for it and water... I thought it was going to be a permanent pet, but as soon as Spring rolled around, I left the sliding glass door open a few inches and it escaped back outside. I don't know how my cat caught it to begin with. Chipmonks are as fast as anything I have ever seen. This one would run across the kitchen floor so fast you couldn't see it even if you were looking at it..... |
#79
|
|||
|
|||
Fences - Cats - DIY?
dgk wrote:
For me, the small risk that something will happen to them is more than offset by the enjoyment they get by being "free" outside. I've had eight cats during the 16 years that I've had this fenced in yard. Four have died, but none because they were allowed to go out. Four are still enjoying the yard and will do so today when I get home. And your neighbors just love yout cat's poop in their spinach. |
#80
|
|||
|
|||
Fences - Cats - DIY?
In article , "Bob F"
wrote: dgk wrote: For me, the small risk that something will happen to them is more than offset by the enjoyment they get by being "free" outside. I've had eight cats during the 16 years that I've had this fenced in yard. Four have died, but none because they were allowed to go out. Four are still enjoying the yard and will do so today when I get home. And your neighbors just love yout cat's poop in their spinach. And bird poop, raccoon poop, mouse poop, and dog poop doesn't bother you? Just be sure to wash your spinach, and other raw vegetables in your meal, well. To be completely safe, be sure to serve a young red wine with your meal. Now researchers have found that red wine acts as an antibiotic in the body, killing potentially fatal bacteria. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...better-us.html -- Welcome to the New America. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg or E Pluribus Unum Next time vote Green Party |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Fences - Cats - DIY | Gas Bag | Cat community | 20 | August 17th 12 02:18 PM |
Underground radio type fences | Zy | Cat health & behaviour | 10 | December 1st 08 08:31 PM |
Speaking of Fences (OT) | jmcquown | Cat anecdotes | 18 | July 27th 05 03:20 AM |