Air Travel With Cat

CP wrote:
Also Isis goes to the cat shows mostly to
comepete in the household pet category
(HHP)

No. YOU force her to compete. Isis couldn't care less about competing in
a cat show. This is all about YOU, and you're not taking into
consideration what is best for her.

and as exhibition because she is one of
the powers that be at our station for cats.
A photo would do just as well. Again, Isis doesn't give a rip about YOUR
radio station and putting her "on display" does not benefit her in any
way and is done only for your own selfish purposes. If you really cared
about her you'd putyour selfish desires aside and let her stay t home
where things are comfortable and familiar. But nooooo you want to drag
her on an airplane, put her in a strange place (hotel), then put her on
public display in another strange environment so you can promote your
station. That's just sad, and it's mean.

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

"Cat Protector" wrote in message
news:wVzcd.74091$tU4.9865@okepread06...
I might be going to a cat show in Las Vegas with my cat Isis and was
wondering if anyone had any tips on how to travel with her by air. I have
read it isn't good to tranquilize a cat for air travel since it could be
problematic. I have also read that bringing the cat as carry-on and being
able to fit the carrier under the seat is ideal but have no clue how much
room there is under the seat for a carrier. I have a small carrier (not
hard
but more sherpa bag-like) but am not sure if it is small enough.

I am guessing the flight will be an hour or so since I'll be going there
from Phoenix. I am concerned that she might need to use the litterbox as
well and I am pretty sure they probably won't allow her out for a bathroom
break. If I also were to fly I plan on bringing her into the vet before
hand
so she is checked out and also has her health certificates with me (This
is
a new vet so I imagine they'll probably give her a rabies shot and
others).

I am also wondering if travelling by car is better or less stressful as a
trip to Vegas is probably at least a 4-6 hour drive by car? I want to do
what is less stressful on Isis. She is ok with car travel short distances
but I am not sure as it is a much longer distance. I also have never been
to
Vegas so I am a bit uneasy. Is air travel better than car travel for a
cat?
If so, which airline is the best to travel with a cat?

--
Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com



I used to make one round-trip (approximately 1300 miles each way) once or
twice a year. I used a tranquilizer the first time, but after seeing how
sick it made my cat, I swore never to use one again. Moreover, I soon found
that it wasn't needed. My cats would curl up and not make a sound unless I
got up to go to the restroom -- then everyone in the plane would hear the
one cat calling for me. You should call the specific airline and ask for
the underseat dimensions because they do vary. I never had a cat use the
litter (and I did include some in the carrier) on the plane. You will also
need to make a reservation some time in advance because most airlines will
only permit one pet per cabin (and some do not permit it at all, so make
your selection carefully). As you already mentioned, you will need a
current health certificate; and there are some specific requirements for
vaccinations.

Now, you mentioned a second possibility -- and I would personally find it
much preferable to drive rather than take the plane. In fact, I later began
to travel the same distance by car, and I felt that was much less stressful
for my cats. All of them travelled very easily by car. The travel time you
described won't even be all that much different because you would need to
allocate extra time for early arrival at the airport and security checks. I
also don't know what the current security requirements are for pets. You
should check to see if you will be required to take Isis out of the carrier.
If this is a requirement, how do you think she would react to the situation?
Above all, *do not* agree to send her ton the converyer-belt where carryon
luggage is sent for scanning. I always insisted on having mine hand carried
*around* the security area, but that was long before the more rigid security
requirements were established after 9/11. Incidentally, I always got health
certificates even when travelling by car; some states have very specific
requirements. I was never asked to show a health certificate, but I didn't
want to take any chances. I always had an open litter box on the floor of
the back seat, and I had cat food, water, toys, etc. with me. *None* of my
cats ever used the litter box or would eat or drink until we arrived for the
evening -- but you want to be prepared. As soon as we arrived at a motel
for the night, I would take the litter box in and open the cat food. They
would dig right in, and there were never any problems.

MaryL

"Cat Protector" wrote in message
news:wVzcd.74091$tU4.9865@okepread06...
I might be going to a cat show in Las Vegas with my cat Isis and was
wondering if anyone had any tips on how to travel with her by air. I have
read it isn't good to tranquilize a cat for air travel since it could be
problematic. I have also read that bringing the cat as carry-on and being
able to fit the carrier under the seat is ideal but have no clue how much
room there is under the seat for a carrier. I have a small carrier (not
hard
but more sherpa bag-like) but am not sure if it is small enough.

I am guessing the flight will be an hour or so since I'll be going there
from Phoenix. I am concerned that she might need to use the litterbox as
well and I am pretty sure they probably won't allow her out for a bathroom
break. If I also were to fly I plan on bringing her into the vet before
hand
so she is checked out and also has her health certificates with me (This
is
a new vet so I imagine they'll probably give her a rabies shot and
others).

I am also wondering if travelling by car is better or less stressful as a
trip to Vegas is probably at least a 4-6 hour drive by car? I want to do
what is less stressful on Isis. She is ok with car travel short distances
but I am not sure as it is a much longer distance. I also have never been
to
Vegas so I am a bit uneasy. Is air travel better than car travel for a
cat?
If so, which airline is the best to travel with a cat?

--
Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com



I used to make one round-trip (approximately 1300 miles each way) once or
twice a year. I used a tranquilizer the first time, but after seeing how
sick it made my cat, I swore never to use one again. Moreover, I soon found
that it wasn't needed. My cats would curl up and not make a sound unless I
got up to go to the restroom -- then everyone in the plane would hear the
one cat calling for me. You should call the specific airline and ask for
the underseat dimensions because they do vary. I never had a cat use the
litter (and I did include some in the carrier) on the plane. You will also
need to make a reservation some time in advance because most airlines will
only permit one pet per cabin (and some do not permit it at all, so make
your selection carefully). As you already mentioned, you will need a
current health certificate; and there are some specific requirements for
vaccinations.

Now, you mentioned a second possibility -- and I would personally find it
much preferable to drive rather than take the plane. In fact, I later began
to travel the same distance by car, and I felt that was much less stressful
for my cats. All of them travelled very easily by car. The travel time you
described won't even be all that much different because you would need to
allocate extra time for early arrival at the airport and security checks. I
also don't know what the current security requirements are for pets. You
should check to see if you will be required to take Isis out of the carrier.
If this is a requirement, how do you think she would react to the situation?
Above all, *do not* agree to send her ton the converyer-belt where carryon
luggage is sent for scanning. I always insisted on having mine hand carried
*around* the security area, but that was long before the more rigid security
requirements were established after 9/11. Incidentally, I always got health
certificates even when travelling by car; some states have very specific
requirements. I was never asked to show a health certificate, but I didn't
want to take any chances. I always had an open litter box on the floor of
the back seat, and I had cat food, water, toys, etc. with me. *None* of my
cats ever used the litter box or would eat or drink until we arrived for the
evening -- but you want to be prepared. As soon as we arrived at a motel
for the night, I would take the litter box in and open the cat food. They
would dig right in, and there were never any problems.

MaryL

Sherry wrote:

CP. Please. Isis is a cat. She doesn't
run a radio station, and she doesn't go
to cat shows to compete. You drag her
there. She's a cat. She wasn't
socialized at cat shows as a kitten, and
it's going to be very stressful for her.
Remember the last cat show you took her
to? Remember telling us all how she got
nervous and hissed? Taking her *out of
state* to a cat show is mean. If you
want a nice outing with her, wait for a
local show. You're doing this for Noehl
Rosen, not for Isis.

You're right on the money, Sherry, and I agree this is a really mean
thing to do to Isis. I did a google and found the post describing Isis
at the cat show. It makes me sick to think he would force her to go
through this after what happened before. In this excerpt, it is patently
obvious that he's forcing her into something she does not want and his
winning *something* is more important.:


"The fourth ring though one of the cats in the cage next to her was
hissing and took a swipe at the judge which then set off Isis who was
hissing, growling, nipping, and swatting. It took a while to get her out
of the cage but I brought her back to where she was benched and was able
to calm her down a bit. I was able to bring her back to be judged and
she got 10th Best HHP. The cat which set her off got 7th.
The next day with the incident still on her mind Isis was hissing when I
put her in the cage in the fifth ring but not swatting and she placed
10th Best HHP again. The sixth ring she placed 10th Best HHP because the
judge allowed me to calm Isis down. She didn't want to go into the cage
so I felt it was better to just withdrawl but the judge was flexible and
allowed me to calm Isis down and bring her back to the ring. The seventh
ring she also was hissing and the judge took her first before she ever
went into the cage as I told him about the previous day's episode. She
placed 10th Best HHP but it was the sweetest 10th because Isis may have
been hissing but she wasn't swatting or biting. I used Feliway which
helped a little bit as well. But clearly by the 6th ring she was turning
around. When I took her back to her cage and gave her canned Friskies
she was eating that and of course took a lick of cream cheese off my
bagle. I also made a big fuss over her and praised her and told her what
a great kitty she was.
The last ring Isis placed 7th Best HHP and I was really happy because
even though she hissed a little she was very good with the judge who saw
she had a pretty sweet disposition. The cat which set her off in the 4th
ring got 10th because his human had to be up there with him when the
judge showed him off. Also Isis was not benched near this cat and I
requested Isis be put in the very last cage. I think it made a slight
difference because Isis had her back to everyone and she just seemed to
focus on something other than the other cats, the crowd or the judge.
Also this judge did not count her slight attitude against her so much
because she seemed to understand Isis was somewhat of a nervous cat."


It is SO obvious Isis does NOT WANT TO BE THERE, but, as usual, CP
ignores the obvious. If he really cared about Isis and not his own
selfish desires he'd leave her at home. This sentence is particulary
telling:

"I think it made a slight difference because Isis had her back to
everyone and she just seemed to focus on something other than the other
cats, the crowd or the judge."

That pretty much covers everything where she was and poor Isis was
probably trying to beam herself home. :-(
CP should be ashamed of himself for forcing Isis to suffer such trauma.

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

Sherry wrote:

CP. Please. Isis is a cat. She doesn't
run a radio station, and she doesn't go
to cat shows to compete. You drag her
there. She's a cat. She wasn't
socialized at cat shows as a kitten, and
it's going to be very stressful for her.
Remember the last cat show you took her
to? Remember telling us all how she got
nervous and hissed? Taking her *out of
state* to a cat show is mean. If you
want a nice outing with her, wait for a
local show. You're doing this for Noehl
Rosen, not for Isis.

You're right on the money, Sherry, and I agree this is a really mean
thing to do to Isis. I did a google and found the post describing Isis
at the cat show. It makes me sick to think he would force her to go
through this after what happened before. In this excerpt, it is patently
obvious that he's forcing her into something she does not want and his
winning *something* is more important.:


"The fourth ring though one of the cats in the cage next to her was
hissing and took a swipe at the judge which then set off Isis who was
hissing, growling, nipping, and swatting. It took a while to get her out
of the cage but I brought her back to where she was benched and was able
to calm her down a bit. I was able to bring her back to be judged and
she got 10th Best HHP. The cat which set her off got 7th.
The next day with the incident still on her mind Isis was hissing when I
put her in the cage in the fifth ring but not swatting and she placed
10th Best HHP again. The sixth ring she placed 10th Best HHP because the
judge allowed me to calm Isis down. She didn't want to go into the cage
so I felt it was better to just withdrawl but the judge was flexible and
allowed me to calm Isis down and bring her back to the ring. The seventh
ring she also was hissing and the judge took her first before she ever
went into the cage as I told him about the previous day's episode. She
placed 10th Best HHP but it was the sweetest 10th because Isis may have
been hissing but she wasn't swatting or biting. I used Feliway which
helped a little bit as well. But clearly by the 6th ring she was turning
around. When I took her back to her cage and gave her canned Friskies
she was eating that and of course took a lick of cream cheese off my
bagle. I also made a big fuss over her and praised her and told her what
a great kitty she was.
The last ring Isis placed 7th Best HHP and I was really happy because
even though she hissed a little she was very good with the judge who saw
she had a pretty sweet disposition. The cat which set her off in the 4th
ring got 10th because his human had to be up there with him when the
judge showed him off. Also Isis was not benched near this cat and I
requested Isis be put in the very last cage. I think it made a slight
difference because Isis had her back to everyone and she just seemed to
focus on something other than the other cats, the crowd or the judge.
Also this judge did not count her slight attitude against her so much
because she seemed to understand Isis was somewhat of a nervous cat."


It is SO obvious Isis does NOT WANT TO BE THERE, but, as usual, CP
ignores the obvious. If he really cared about Isis and not his own
selfish desires he'd leave her at home. This sentence is particulary
telling:

"I think it made a slight difference because Isis had her back to
everyone and she just seemed to focus on something other than the other
cats, the crowd or the judge."

That pretty much covers everything where she was and poor Isis was
probably trying to beam herself home. :-(
CP should be ashamed of himself for forcing Isis to suffer such trauma.

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

On 17 Oct 2004 21:23:20 GMT, (Luvskats00) wrote:

"Cat Protector" writes

I might be going to a cat show in Las Vegas with my cat Isis and was
wondering if anyone had any tips on how to travel with her by air.

There are several cat carriers that adhere to the airline regulations for under
the seat "storage". Before you even do that, though, book the flight where you
get confirmation that the airline allows you to travel with your cat. Under no
circumstances EVER EVER EVER surrender your cat to the cargo area...even if
they stand on their head and swear that it's the cargo area that's safe for
pets....don't do it. If necessary, don't go on the flight if they don't let you
travel with your cat. As far as being tranquilized, you'll have to discuss
that with your vet if that's a good idea. Good luck!

my b/f and i were thinking of taking Shaina to Vancouver from NYC,
when we go there for winter break, but we don't think that she'd
appreciate the 5 hr flight, even in the cabin. my friend traveled
from NYC to LA with a small dog and had him sedated. i can't imagine
she'd be comfortable like that.

-L

On 17 Oct 2004 21:23:20 GMT, (Luvskats00) wrote:

"Cat Protector" writes

I might be going to a cat show in Las Vegas with my cat Isis and was
wondering if anyone had any tips on how to travel with her by air.

There are several cat carriers that adhere to the airline regulations for under
the seat "storage". Before you even do that, though, book the flight where you
get confirmation that the airline allows you to travel with your cat. Under no
circumstances EVER EVER EVER surrender your cat to the cargo area...even if
they stand on their head and swear that it's the cargo area that's safe for
pets....don't do it. If necessary, don't go on the flight if they don't let you
travel with your cat. As far as being tranquilized, you'll have to discuss
that with your vet if that's a good idea. Good luck!

my b/f and i were thinking of taking Shaina to Vancouver from NYC,
when we go there for winter break, but we don't think that she'd
appreciate the 5 hr flight, even in the cabin. my friend traveled
from NYC to LA with a small dog and had him sedated. i can't imagine
she'd be comfortable like that.

-L

It is obvious that some of you don't approve of cat shows but I happen to
like them. Isis does care about the station because she helped create it.
She does the shows because people can become more educated about cats and
her story has a great chance of being told like a lot of cats that were
adopted from shelters. Her going to the shows can help promote cats being
adopted which is one of the other reasons. I have to wonder if those on here
who object to cat shows are willing to go to one and tell those that exhibit
there that it is bad for the cat?

--
Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com

wrote in message
...
No. YOU force her to compete. Isis couldn't care less about competing in
a cat show. This is all about YOU, and you're not taking into
consideration what is best for her.

and as exhibition because she is one of
the powers that be at our station for cats.
A photo would do just as well. Again, Isis doesn't give a rip about YOUR
radio station and putting her "on display" does not benefit her in any
way and is done only for your own selfish purposes. If you really cared
about her you'd putyour selfish desires aside and let her stay t home
where things are comfortable and familiar. But nooooo you want to drag
her on an airplane, put her in a strange place (hotel), then put her on
public display in another strange environment so you can promote your
station. That's just sad, and it's mean.

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

It is obvious that some of you don't approve of cat shows but I happen to
like them. Isis does care about the station because she helped create it.
She does the shows because people can become more educated about cats and
her story has a great chance of being told like a lot of cats that were
adopted from shelters. Her going to the shows can help promote cats being
adopted which is one of the other reasons. I have to wonder if those on here
who object to cat shows are willing to go to one and tell those that exhibit
there that it is bad for the cat?

--
Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com

wrote in message
...
No. YOU force her to compete. Isis couldn't care less about competing in
a cat show. This is all about YOU, and you're not taking into
consideration what is best for her.

and as exhibition because she is one of
the powers that be at our station for cats.
A photo would do just as well. Again, Isis doesn't give a rip about YOUR
radio station and putting her "on display" does not benefit her in any
way and is done only for your own selfish purposes. If you really cared
about her you'd putyour selfish desires aside and let her stay t home
where things are comfortable and familiar. But nooooo you want to drag
her on an airplane, put her in a strange place (hotel), then put her on
public display in another strange environment so you can promote your
station. That's just sad, and it's mean.

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

Actually Isis has become used to being shown since that time and was on a TV
show where they were showing other cats. She knew they were there and
actually came out of here carrier and did not hide. She also was not nervous
with the hussle and bussle. It's amazing that people will go back to a
Google from almost two years ago when a lot has changed since then. Cats get
used to being shown and Isis has no problems since that show. If you cared
about the facts you would have also read that she did well up until the time
that a cat that wasn't supposed to be in the ring next to her took a swipe
at one of the judges which she saw and that was what set her off.

People I didn't come here to debate whether or not cats should be at cat
shows but whether or not flying or driving was less stressful on the cat and
to get advice on the subject. I don't need a lecture nor do I need the bad
mouthing. Just travel tips.

--
Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com
wrote in message
...
You're right on the money, Sherry, and I agree this is a really mean
thing to do to Isis. I did a google and found the post describing Isis
at the cat show. It makes me sick to think he would force her to go
through this after what happened before. In this excerpt, it is patently
obvious that he's forcing her into something she does not want and his
winning *something* is more important.:


"The fourth ring though one of the cats in the cage next to her was
hissing and took a swipe at the judge which then set off Isis who was
hissing, growling, nipping, and swatting. It took a while to get her out
of the cage but I brought her back to where she was benched and was able
to calm her down a bit. I was able to bring her back to be judged and
she got 10th Best HHP. The cat which set her off got 7th.
The next day with the incident still on her mind Isis was hissing when I
put her in the cage in the fifth ring but not swatting and she placed
10th Best HHP again. The sixth ring she placed 10th Best HHP because the
judge allowed me to calm Isis down. She didn't want to go into the cage
so I felt it was better to just withdrawl but the judge was flexible and
allowed me to calm Isis down and bring her back to the ring. The seventh
ring she also was hissing and the judge took her first before she ever
went into the cage as I told him about the previous day's episode. She
placed 10th Best HHP but it was the sweetest 10th because Isis may have
been hissing but she wasn't swatting or biting. I used Feliway which
helped a little bit as well. But clearly by the 6th ring she was turning
around. When I took her back to her cage and gave her canned Friskies
she was eating that and of course took a lick of cream cheese off my
bagle. I also made a big fuss over her and praised her and told her what
a great kitty she was.
The last ring Isis placed 7th Best HHP and I was really happy because
even though she hissed a little she was very good with the judge who saw
she had a pretty sweet disposition. The cat which set her off in the 4th
ring got 10th because his human had to be up there with him when the
judge showed him off. Also Isis was not benched near this cat and I
requested Isis be put in the very last cage. I think it made a slight
difference because Isis had her back to everyone and she just seemed to
focus on something other than the other cats, the crowd or the judge.
Also this judge did not count her slight attitude against her so much
because she seemed to understand Isis was somewhat of a nervous cat."


It is SO obvious Isis does NOT WANT TO BE THERE, but, as usual, CP
ignores the obvious. If he really cared about Isis and not his own
selfish desires he'd leave her at home. This sentence is particulary
telling:

"I think it made a slight difference because Isis had her back to
everyone and she just seemed to focus on something other than the other
cats, the crowd or the judge."

That pretty much covers everything where she was and poor Isis was
probably trying to beam herself home. :-(
CP should be ashamed of himself for forcing Isis to suffer such trauma.

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray