Male cat FLUTD UTI problems

"Stormmee" wrote
"cshenk" wrote in message

i am currently in a search for email and group software for win seven as
it didn't come with outlook, it sure is slow going, Lee

I looked about too and there isnt much out there for WIN 7 yet. Dolphin
seems to be workiung on it though.

i might see if dh can put that in to see how the sr does with it, the sr,
all four i have don't like windows live, which is weird because supposedly
its very similar to OE, Lee

Yeah and i seem to recal Thunderbird didnt like your SR either. Dolphin
produces lots of things, notably a SR set of tools. UK based company. Seems
to be fairly cutting edge product line.

will have to look into it, am wondering if they are working with nnvda.. i
think that is what its called, microsoft has just gifted them with big
bucks... thunderbird ate some of the programming for the main sr, and it
chattered like when you put that OE add on in the computer... i never even
tried that one as gramby called me on the phone to listen to hers... it had
a major stuttering going on... very funny but scarey because she didn't know
if she could get it out without damaging other stuff, it did work though,
Lee"cshenk" wrote in message
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"Stormmee" wrote
"cshenk" wrote in message

i am currently in a search for email and group software for win seven
as it didn't come with outlook, it sure is slow going, Lee

I looked about too and there isnt much out there for WIN 7 yet. Dolphin
seems to be workiung on it though.

i might see if dh can put that in to see how the sr does with it, the sr,
all four i have don't like windows live, which is weird because supposedly
its very similar to OE, Lee

Yeah and i seem to recal Thunderbird didnt like your SR either. Dolphin
produces lots of things, notably a SR set of tools. UK based company.
Seems to be fairly cutting edge product line.

"cshenk" wrote in message
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"Stormmee" wrote

you are talking about torrine, sp? for the cats needs, i just never
looked
into if the dog eating the cat food would hurt the dog, Lee

Thats it or close enough. Dog eating the cat food is harmless.


No, it is not harmless. Dog food doesn't contain enough protein for cats.
Cats couldn't eat enough dog food to meet their nutritional requirements
because they would reach saiety long before their nutritional requirements
were met.

Dog food also does not contain enough fat for cats. Thats why dogs get fat
quickly when they eat cat food.


Cat eating
the dog food won't hurt them either as long as long as they get enough of
that stuff in the diet.

Feeding dog food to a cat would certainly would hurt the cat if she ate it
for more than a few days.



It's pretty close on what both need, except that one added thing the cats
need

No, dog food is not close to cat food in nutrients cats require.

In addition to the lack of enough protein and fat, and the lack of taurine,
dog foods use beta-carotene as a source of Vitamin A. Cats cannot convert
beta-carotene into vitamin A, and must have preformed vitamin-A.

Dog food also does not contain arachidonic acid - an essential fatty acid
for cats. Dog food contains linoleic acid from which dogs synthesize
arachidonic acid. Cats cannot synthesize arachidonic acid from linoleic acid
and must obtain arachidonic acid in their diet.

Cats require more arginine than dogs because they lack an intestinal enzyme,
pyrroline-5-carboxylate synthase, required for synthesis of the arginine
precursor, ornithine. Arginine is required for normal protein synthesis and
ammonia detoxification.

Cats have a higher requirements for B vitamins than dogs. Cat foods contain
at least twice the amounts of many B vitamins found in dog foods.

Bottom line-- cats are not small dogs. Feed cats cat food and feed dogs dog
food.


http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm

"Phil P." wrote in message
news

"cshenk" wrote in message
...
"Stormmee" wrote

you are talking about torrine, sp? for the cats needs, i just never
looked
into if the dog eating the cat food would hurt the dog, Lee

Thats it or close enough. Dog eating the cat food is harmless.


No, it is not harmless. Dog food doesn't contain enough protein for cats.
Cats couldn't eat enough dog food to meet their nutritional requirements
because they would reach saiety long before their nutritional requirements
were met.

Dog food also does not contain enough fat for cats. Thats why dogs get
fat
quickly when they eat cat food.


Cat eating
the dog food won't hurt them either as long as long as they get enough of
that stuff in the diet.

Feeding dog food to a cat would certainly would hurt the cat if she ate it
for more than a few days.



It's pretty close on what both need, except that one added thing the cats
need

No, dog food is not close to cat food in nutrients cats require.

In addition to the lack of enough protein and fat, and the lack of
taurine,
dog foods use beta-carotene as a source of Vitamin A. Cats cannot convert
beta-carotene into vitamin A, and must have preformed vitamin-A.

Dog food also does not contain arachidonic acid - an essential fatty acid
for cats. Dog food contains linoleic acid from which dogs synthesize
arachidonic acid. Cats cannot synthesize arachidonic acid from linoleic
acid
and must obtain arachidonic acid in their diet.

Cats require more arginine than dogs because they lack an intestinal
enzyme,
pyrroline-5-carboxylate synthase, required for synthesis of the arginine
precursor, ornithine. Arginine is required for normal protein synthesis
and
ammonia detoxification.

Cats have a higher requirements for B vitamins than dogs. Cat foods
contain
at least twice the amounts of many B vitamins found in dog foods.

Bottom line-- cats are not small dogs. Feed cats cat food and feed dogs
dog
food.


http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm

If only you guys could hear yourselves.......It would be hard to
believe.....How can feeding cat food to a dog hurt the (any) cat? It's the
dog eating the wrong food, you nitwits, not the cat.....No animal can be
hurt when some other animal eats the wrong food! Dogs eat anything......They
certainly do eat cat food all the time and can't be hurt by doing so. Now,
it may not be good for a cat to eat dog food, and I certainly wouldn't do
that to any of my cats.....I'm sure they wouldn't eat dog food unless they
were starving and didn't have anything else to eat. Occasionally I find
stray cats eating the dog food I put out for the raccoons, but when I see
that, I usually put some cat food out for them so they don't have to eat
that stuff......Usually, they run away before they get a chance to try my
cat food anyway, so it doesn't do much good.......

"Bill Graham" wrote in message
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"Phil P." wrote in message
news

"cshenk" wrote in message
...
"Stormmee" wrote

you are talking about torrine, sp? for the cats needs, i just never
looked
into if the dog eating the cat food would hurt the dog, Lee

Thats it or close enough. Dog eating the cat food is harmless.


No, it is not harmless. Dog food doesn't contain enough protein for
cats.
Cats couldn't eat enough dog food to meet their nutritional requirements
because they would reach saiety long before their nutritional
requirements
were met.

Dog food also does not contain enough fat for cats. Thats why dogs get
fat
quickly when they eat cat food.


Cat eating
the dog food won't hurt them either as long as long as they get enough
of
that stuff in the diet.

Feeding dog food to a cat would certainly would hurt the cat if she ate
it
for more than a few days.



It's pretty close on what both need, except that one added thing the
cats
need

No, dog food is not close to cat food in nutrients cats require.

In addition to the lack of enough protein and fat, and the lack of
taurine,
dog foods use beta-carotene as a source of Vitamin A. Cats cannot
convert
beta-carotene into vitamin A, and must have preformed vitamin-A.

Dog food also does not contain arachidonic acid - an essential fatty
acid
for cats. Dog food contains linoleic acid from which dogs synthesize
arachidonic acid. Cats cannot synthesize arachidonic acid from linoleic
acid
and must obtain arachidonic acid in their diet.

Cats require more arginine than dogs because they lack an intestinal
enzyme,
pyrroline-5-carboxylate synthase, required for synthesis of the arginine
precursor, ornithine. Arginine is required for normal protein synthesis
and
ammonia detoxification.

Cats have a higher requirements for B vitamins than dogs. Cat foods
contain
at least twice the amounts of many B vitamins found in dog foods.

Bottom line-- cats are not small dogs. Feed cats cat food and feed dogs
dog
food.


http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm

If only you guys could hear yourselves.......It would be hard to
believe.....How can feeding cat food to a dog hurt the (any) cat? It's the
dog eating the wrong food, you nitwits, not the cat.....

I was correcting the statement that "Cat eating the dog food won't hurt them
either....", nitwit. And yes, feeding cat food to a dog can hurt the dog.
Cat food contains more protein and fat which leads to obesity in dogs,
nitwit.

"Phil P." wrote in message
...

"Bill Graham" wrote in message
...

"Phil P." wrote in message
news

"cshenk" wrote in message
...
"Stormmee" wrote

you are talking about torrine, sp? for the cats needs, i just never
looked
into if the dog eating the cat food would hurt the dog, Lee

Thats it or close enough. Dog eating the cat food is harmless.


No, it is not harmless. Dog food doesn't contain enough protein for
cats.
Cats couldn't eat enough dog food to meet their nutritional
requirements
because they would reach saiety long before their nutritional
requirements
were met.

Dog food also does not contain enough fat for cats. Thats why dogs get
fat
quickly when they eat cat food.


Cat eating
the dog food won't hurt them either as long as long as they get enough
of
that stuff in the diet.

Feeding dog food to a cat would certainly would hurt the cat if she ate
it
for more than a few days.



It's pretty close on what both need, except that one added thing the
cats
need

No, dog food is not close to cat food in nutrients cats require.

In addition to the lack of enough protein and fat, and the lack of
taurine,
dog foods use beta-carotene as a source of Vitamin A. Cats cannot
convert
beta-carotene into vitamin A, and must have preformed vitamin-A.

Dog food also does not contain arachidonic acid - an essential fatty
acid
for cats. Dog food contains linoleic acid from which dogs synthesize
arachidonic acid. Cats cannot synthesize arachidonic acid from linoleic
acid
and must obtain arachidonic acid in their diet.

Cats require more arginine than dogs because they lack an intestinal
enzyme,
pyrroline-5-carboxylate synthase, required for synthesis of the
arginine
precursor, ornithine. Arginine is required for normal protein
synthesis
and
ammonia detoxification.

Cats have a higher requirements for B vitamins than dogs. Cat foods
contain
at least twice the amounts of many B vitamins found in dog foods.

Bottom line-- cats are not small dogs. Feed cats cat food and feed
dogs
dog
food.


http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm

If only you guys could hear yourselves.......It would be hard to
believe.....How can feeding cat food to a dog hurt the (any) cat? It's
the
dog eating the wrong food, you nitwits, not the cat.....

I was correcting the statement that "Cat eating the dog food won't hurt
them
either....", nitwit. And yes, feeding cat food to a dog can hurt the dog.
Cat food contains more protein and fat which leads to obesity in dogs,
nitwit.


I keep saying he is dangerous and that is why I won't kill file him so he
can't cause too much trouble

"Phil P." wrote in message
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"Bill Graham" wrote in message
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"Phil P." wrote in message
news

"cshenk" wrote in message
...
"Stormmee" wrote

you are talking about torrine, sp? for the cats needs, i just never
looked
into if the dog eating the cat food would hurt the dog, Lee

Thats it or close enough. Dog eating the cat food is harmless.


No, it is not harmless. Dog food doesn't contain enough protein for
cats.
Cats couldn't eat enough dog food to meet their nutritional
requirements
because they would reach saiety long before their nutritional
requirements
were met.

Dog food also does not contain enough fat for cats. Thats why dogs get
fat
quickly when they eat cat food.


Cat eating
the dog food won't hurt them either as long as long as they get enough
of
that stuff in the diet.

Feeding dog food to a cat would certainly would hurt the cat if she ate
it
for more than a few days.



It's pretty close on what both need, except that one added thing the
cats
need

No, dog food is not close to cat food in nutrients cats require.

In addition to the lack of enough protein and fat, and the lack of
taurine,
dog foods use beta-carotene as a source of Vitamin A. Cats cannot
convert
beta-carotene into vitamin A, and must have preformed vitamin-A.

Dog food also does not contain arachidonic acid - an essential fatty
acid
for cats. Dog food contains linoleic acid from which dogs synthesize
arachidonic acid. Cats cannot synthesize arachidonic acid from linoleic
acid
and must obtain arachidonic acid in their diet.

Cats require more arginine than dogs because they lack an intestinal
enzyme,
pyrroline-5-carboxylate synthase, required for synthesis of the
arginine
precursor, ornithine. Arginine is required for normal protein
synthesis
and
ammonia detoxification.

Cats have a higher requirements for B vitamins than dogs. Cat foods
contain
at least twice the amounts of many B vitamins found in dog foods.

Bottom line-- cats are not small dogs. Feed cats cat food and feed
dogs
dog
food.


http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm

If only you guys could hear yourselves.......It would be hard to
believe.....How can feeding cat food to a dog hurt the (any) cat? It's
the
dog eating the wrong food, you nitwits, not the cat.....

I was correcting the statement that "Cat eating the dog food won't hurt
them
either....", nitwit. And yes, feeding cat food to a dog can hurt the dog.
Cat food contains more protein and fat which leads to obesity in dogs,
nitwit.

So it comes down to your definition of, "hurt". To me, getting sick from one
or two exposures is, "hurt". Not being forced to eat the stuff for the
animal's entire life, or over a period of months and months......If eating
cat food was harmful to dogs, then every dog I have ever known has been
harmed.......I suppose that you must believe they have been, from your
narrow definition of "harmed".

what i want to know is how dogs and cats survived before there was
commercial foods... my grandfather raised literally hundreds of dogs, and
until i was almost an adult they never ate commerial foods, Lee
"Bill Graham" wrote in message
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"Phil P." wrote in message
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"Bill Graham" wrote in message
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"Phil P." wrote in message
news
"cshenk" wrote in message
...
"Stormmee" wrote

you are talking about torrine, sp? for the cats needs, i just never
looked
into if the dog eating the cat food would hurt the dog, Lee

Thats it or close enough. Dog eating the cat food is harmless.


No, it is not harmless. Dog food doesn't contain enough protein for
cats.
Cats couldn't eat enough dog food to meet their nutritional
requirements
because they would reach saiety long before their nutritional
requirements
were met.

Dog food also does not contain enough fat for cats. Thats why dogs
get
fat
quickly when they eat cat food.


Cat eating
the dog food won't hurt them either as long as long as they get
enough
of
that stuff in the diet.

Feeding dog food to a cat would certainly would hurt the cat if she
ate
it
for more than a few days.



It's pretty close on what both need, except that one added thing the
cats
need

No, dog food is not close to cat food in nutrients cats require.

In addition to the lack of enough protein and fat, and the lack of
taurine,
dog foods use beta-carotene as a source of Vitamin A. Cats cannot
convert
beta-carotene into vitamin A, and must have preformed vitamin-A.

Dog food also does not contain arachidonic acid - an essential fatty
acid
for cats. Dog food contains linoleic acid from which dogs synthesize
arachidonic acid. Cats cannot synthesize arachidonic acid from
linoleic
acid
and must obtain arachidonic acid in their diet.

Cats require more arginine than dogs because they lack an intestinal
enzyme,
pyrroline-5-carboxylate synthase, required for synthesis of the
arginine
precursor, ornithine. Arginine is required for normal protein
synthesis
and
ammonia detoxification.

Cats have a higher requirements for B vitamins than dogs. Cat foods
contain
at least twice the amounts of many B vitamins found in dog foods.

Bottom line-- cats are not small dogs. Feed cats cat food and feed
dogs
dog
food.


http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm

If only you guys could hear yourselves.......It would be hard to
believe.....How can feeding cat food to a dog hurt the (any) cat? It's
the
dog eating the wrong food, you nitwits, not the cat.....

I was correcting the statement that "Cat eating the dog food won't hurt
them
either....", nitwit. And yes, feeding cat food to a dog can hurt the
dog.
Cat food contains more protein and fat which leads to obesity in dogs,
nitwit.

So it comes down to your definition of, "hurt". To me, getting sick from
one or two exposures is, "hurt". Not being forced to eat the stuff for the
animal's entire life, or over a period of months and months......If eating
cat food was harmful to dogs, then every dog I have ever known has been
harmed.......I suppose that you must believe they have been, from your
narrow definition of "harmed".

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 00:41:11 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote:


"Phil P." wrote in message
m...

"Bill Graham" wrote in message
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If only you guys could hear yourselves.......It would be hard to
believe.....How can feeding cat food to a dog hurt the (any) cat? It's
the
dog eating the wrong food, you nitwits, not the cat.....

I was correcting the statement that "Cat eating the dog food won't hurt
them
either....", nitwit. And yes, feeding cat food to a dog can hurt the dog.
Cat food contains more protein and fat which leads to obesity in dogs,
nitwit.

So it comes down to your definition of, "hurt". To me, getting sick from one
or two exposures is, "hurt". Not being forced to eat the stuff for the
animal's entire life, or over a period of months and months......If eating
cat food was harmful to dogs, then every dog I have ever known has been
harmed.......I suppose that you must believe they have been, from your
narrow definition of "harmed".


There is a delayed way of eating cat food as well. One of my brother's
dogs used to like to eat the cat poops out of the litterbox. We always
figured that it was crunchy on the outside and smooth on the inside
but weren't willing to personally check it out. I usually think that
cats are so weird but dogs aren't immune.

That was real incentive to keep the litterbox clean.

"Stormmee" wrote in message
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what i want to know is how dogs and cats survived before there was
commercial foods... my grandfather raised literally hundreds of dogs, and
until i was almost an adult they never ate commerial foods, Lee

So your point is that just because they can survive on "whatever" they
should? Rather than be fed food that is designed for their species special
needs? You could live on Wonder bread, but should you?