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"Linda Terrell" wrote in message news:epxRkhlUwRo0-pn2- Have several scratching posts around -- the kind with the rope works best. Yeah, they work really well. And kitty's claws will peel off regularly (the old outer surface just sorta moulds as the younger tissue grows and pushes out from underneath) when she uses the scratching posts, so clipping isn't usually a problem when the kitty has, and regularly uses, a suitable scratching post. Devlin Perth, Australia |
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kaeli wrote:
There are much better ways to discipline a child (or an animal) than to hit it. I agree....as I said, while I don't think everyone who spanks their child is an abuser, I do think there are much better means of discipline. But, as with declawing, it's the easy way out; alternative means of discipline take a bit more time and effort, but in my opinion, are well worth it. I like Bill Engvall's joke about the stupidity of seeing your kid hit another kid, smacking them, and saying, "We don't hit!" LOL.... Ann -- http://www.angelfire.com/ca/bewtifulfreak |
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enlightened us with... There are much better ways to discipline a child (or an animal) than to hit it. I agree....as I said, while I don't think everyone who spanks their child is an abuser, I do think there are much better means of discipline. But, as with declawing, it's the easy way out; alternative means of discipline take a bit more time and effort, but in my opinion, are well worth it. I like Bill Engvall's joke about the stupidity of seeing your kid hit another kid, smacking them, and saying, "We don't hit!" LOL.... That's a good joke that really makes the point, too. People always want the quick way... ------------------------------------------------- ~kaeli~ Press any key to continue or any other key to quit. Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk? http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace ------------------------------------------------- |
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In article ,
enlightened us with... There are much better ways to discipline a child (or an animal) than to hit it. I agree....as I said, while I don't think everyone who spanks their child is an abuser, I do think there are much better means of discipline. But, as with declawing, it's the easy way out; alternative means of discipline take a bit more time and effort, but in my opinion, are well worth it. I like Bill Engvall's joke about the stupidity of seeing your kid hit another kid, smacking them, and saying, "We don't hit!" LOL.... That's a good joke that really makes the point, too. People always want the quick way... ------------------------------------------------- ~kaeli~ Press any key to continue or any other key to quit. Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk? http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace ------------------------------------------------- |
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kaeli wrote:
There are much better ways to discipline a child (or an animal) than to hit it. I agree....as I said, while I don't think everyone who spanks their child is an abuser, I do think there are much better means of discipline. But, as with declawing, it's the easy way out; alternative means of discipline take a bit more time and effort, but in my opinion, are well worth it. I like Bill Engvall's joke about the stupidity of seeing your kid hit another kid, smacking them, and saying, "We don't hit!" LOL.... Ann -- http://www.angelfire.com/ca/bewtifulfreak |
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kaeli enlightened us with: Discipline has a lot more to it than hitting. Very true, never said there wasn't a lot more to it. Plenty of children were raised with discipline without needing to be hit. No one in my family has ever needed to hit a child to get a point across to him or her. We are all just fine and nothing close to "delinquents". All graduated at least high school with good grades (some went to college for BS degrees, others went on to become a cop, a firefighter, a paramedic, and a paralegal), none were arrested or did drugs or got pregnant or hurt other people, and all are now happy, adjusted adults. We all have nice careers and respect for other living beings. We don't feel the need to hit something to make a point. And plenty have been raised with spankings and have gone on to the same things as you and your family. But spanking a child doesn't make you a child abuser, not even close to it. There are much better ways to discipline a child (or an animal) than to hit it. I didn't mention anything about hitting an animal, my response was solely to the child abuse comment. Then again, maybe some people just prefer to use violence to teach. I know some of my friends in high school used to get hit - they are in jail, in a drug rehab program, and one got pregnant in high school, unmarried, and never finished school. And I know some (most) of my friends who got hit that didn't end up in any trouble at all, it goes both ways. And my daughters have plenty of friends/peers in high school now, who's parents don't believe in what they like to call corporal punishment, (spanking). Some of them are rude nasty kids (more so then just teenage attitudes). They are spoiled pampered brats that have no respect for authority, but are damn good at fooling their parents into believing that they are angels, yes I have asked a few of them and they will admit it. Mind you they also have friends that that don't get hit that are good kids. But they also have friends that do get hit that are also good kids. Again it goes both ways. I've got family and friends, all were spanked, that are well respected in their communities and are also happy and healthy. They are doctors, teachers owners of buisnesses, paralegal ect... Love and compassion are two of the biggest components to raising a child. But if one of my kids needed a good swat they got it and they knew it. They also knew/know that it never meant/means I didn't love them any less. Nothing IMO is worse then being out in public whether it be a Doctors office or the grocery store with someones kid running around screaming and the parents saying "you need to stop or you'll get a time out when we get home sweety" (or something along those lines). Anyway my whole point was that spanking a child does not make you a child abuser! Nadine |
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enlightened us with... kaeli enlightened us with: Discipline has a lot more to it than hitting. Very true, never said there wasn't a lot more to it. No, but you said "Spanking (not beating) a child is not child abuse. It's called discipline" which to me implied that to not spank is to not discipline. Which simply isn't true at all. I apologize if that wasn't what you meant. And plenty have been raised with spankings and have gone on to the same things as you and your family. But spanking a child doesn't make you a child abuser, not even close to it. What is your definition of spanking? To me, spanking is NOT a little, light crack on the behind. That is IMO unnecessary, but not abuse. Spanking, to me, is putting the kid over your knee and repeatedly striking the child with your hand or an object. THAT is abusive. To me, it is also abuse to strike a child anywhere on the head or face, even once. There are much better ways to discipline a child (or an animal) than to hit it. I didn't mention anything about hitting an animal, my response was solely to the child abuse comment. I was generalizing. However, does that mean you think it's okay to hit a child, but not an animal? And I know some (most) of my friends who got hit that didn't end up in any trouble at all, it goes both ways. I'm sure it does. Most things do. My point was spanking doesn't necessarily make a good kid and not spanking doesn't necessarily make a brat. If one can raise a good child without the need to hit it, why would there be a reason to hit at all? And my daughters have plenty of friends/peers in high school now, who's parents don't believe in what they like to call corporal punishment, (spanking). Some of them are rude nasty kids (more so then just teenage attitudes). They are spoiled pampered brats that have no respect for authority, but are damn good at fooling their parents into believing that they are angels, There are a lot of "yuppie" spoiled brats these days, but I think that has nothing at all to do with spanking and everything to do with parenting. Love and compassion are two of the biggest components to raising a child. But if one of my kids needed a good swat they got it and they knew it. I think that is a big difference here - a swat. Not a spanking. Not hitting it over and over with your hand or an object. I don't think even a swat is necessary, but it is not abuse. They also knew/know that it never meant/means I didn't love them any less. Nothing IMO is worse then being out in public whether it be a Doctors office or the grocery store with someones kid running around screaming and the parents saying "you need to stop or you'll get a time out when we get home sweety" (or something along those lines). Oh, that is the WORST! But, again, that's really about parenting. Those parents coddle and plead and try to reason with a three year old. They act like it will damage the child to hear "no" FCOL. Nope, I was not allowed to act that way. No child should be. They become spoiled, nasty adults. Anyway my whole point was that spanking a child does not make you a child abuser! I think it does - but I also think I think of "spanking" differently than you meant it. ------------------------------------------------- ~kaeli~ Press any key to continue or any other key to quit. Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk? http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace ------------------------------------------------- |
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In article ,
enlightened us with... kaeli enlightened us with: Discipline has a lot more to it than hitting. Very true, never said there wasn't a lot more to it. No, but you said "Spanking (not beating) a child is not child abuse. It's called discipline" which to me implied that to not spank is to not discipline. Which simply isn't true at all. I apologize if that wasn't what you meant. And plenty have been raised with spankings and have gone on to the same things as you and your family. But spanking a child doesn't make you a child abuser, not even close to it. What is your definition of spanking? To me, spanking is NOT a little, light crack on the behind. That is IMO unnecessary, but not abuse. Spanking, to me, is putting the kid over your knee and repeatedly striking the child with your hand or an object. THAT is abusive. To me, it is also abuse to strike a child anywhere on the head or face, even once. There are much better ways to discipline a child (or an animal) than to hit it. I didn't mention anything about hitting an animal, my response was solely to the child abuse comment. I was generalizing. However, does that mean you think it's okay to hit a child, but not an animal? And I know some (most) of my friends who got hit that didn't end up in any trouble at all, it goes both ways. I'm sure it does. Most things do. My point was spanking doesn't necessarily make a good kid and not spanking doesn't necessarily make a brat. If one can raise a good child without the need to hit it, why would there be a reason to hit at all? And my daughters have plenty of friends/peers in high school now, who's parents don't believe in what they like to call corporal punishment, (spanking). Some of them are rude nasty kids (more so then just teenage attitudes). They are spoiled pampered brats that have no respect for authority, but are damn good at fooling their parents into believing that they are angels, There are a lot of "yuppie" spoiled brats these days, but I think that has nothing at all to do with spanking and everything to do with parenting. Love and compassion are two of the biggest components to raising a child. But if one of my kids needed a good swat they got it and they knew it. I think that is a big difference here - a swat. Not a spanking. Not hitting it over and over with your hand or an object. I don't think even a swat is necessary, but it is not abuse. They also knew/know that it never meant/means I didn't love them any less. Nothing IMO is worse then being out in public whether it be a Doctors office or the grocery store with someones kid running around screaming and the parents saying "you need to stop or you'll get a time out when we get home sweety" (or something along those lines). Oh, that is the WORST! But, again, that's really about parenting. Those parents coddle and plead and try to reason with a three year old. They act like it will damage the child to hear "no" FCOL. Nope, I was not allowed to act that way. No child should be. They become spoiled, nasty adults. Anyway my whole point was that spanking a child does not make you a child abuser! I think it does - but I also think I think of "spanking" differently than you meant it. ------------------------------------------------- ~kaeli~ Press any key to continue or any other key to quit. Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk? http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace ------------------------------------------------- |
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