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Help, my cat is a serial killer!
"Dave F" wrote in message . .. "Garret Swayne" wrote in message ink.net... My cat Zacky is an indoor/outdoor cat, and he's forever bringing home prey that he catches. Every week or so, I'll come home and find a bloody lifeless bird in my living room (and the room full of feathers!) Or a lizard. Or a mouse. Or these really weird worms that are not snails or slugs, but look like snails without their shell. He also brings in these really huge grasshoppers and then torture them to death, leaving large insect carcasses throughout the house. It's like living with a feline serial murderer! Occasionally, I'll catch him as he's bringing in his captive still alive and as yet unharmed. So I'll give him a stern NO, take it from his mouth, and carry it outside to release it. This kind of ****es him off, but I'm not sure what else to do. I really want to discourage such behavior. Any ideas? -Garret garret at garretswayne dot com I just read through this thread and the ignorance just amazes me. Read the following and then do the right thing and keep your cat indoors where it belongs. http://www.wildliferescueleague.org/cats.html http://www.abcbirds.org/cats/ Dave I have read your articles, and I disagree 100%. Cats were created to roam, and I wouldn't keep one locked up indoors on a bet. Not only that, but if "100's of millions of birds" are killed every year by cats, there must be trillions of cats out there with no food to eat.....My four cats haven't killed 1/2 dozen birds in the last 10 years. For one thing, birds are very hard to kill....Snakes, lizards and field mice are much easier, and even the feral cat lived on mice and voles for the first couple of years of his life before we started feeding him. But, when you get right down to it, birds are very low on the order of life, and they are among the most heartless living things in existence. I couldn't care less how many birds that my cats kill, to tell the truth. Have you ever seen a bunch of chickens peck one of their number to death? - If you had, you would gain a vastly different perspective on birds. Sure, they are pretty....Some of them are downright beautiful. But that doesn't make them any more compassionate than any other animal.... Your article greatly exaggerates the number of birds that fall prey to outside cats.....It only serves as an excuse for teenagers (or those with a teenage mentality) to kill cats. |
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Help, my cat is a serial killer!
"William Graham" wrote in message news "Dave F" wrote in message . .. "Garret Swayne" wrote in message ink.net... My cat Zacky is an indoor/outdoor cat, and he's forever bringing home prey that he catches. Every week or so, I'll come home and find a bloody lifeless bird in my living room (and the room full of feathers!) Or a lizard. Or a mouse. Or these really weird worms that are not snails or slugs, but look like snails without their shell. He also brings in these really huge grasshoppers and then torture them to death, leaving large insect carcasses throughout the house. It's like living with a feline serial murderer! Occasionally, I'll catch him as he's bringing in his captive still alive and as yet unharmed. So I'll give him a stern NO, take it from his mouth, and carry it outside to release it. This kind of ****es him off, but I'm not sure what else to do. I really want to discourage such behavior. Any ideas? -Garret garret at garretswayne dot com I just read through this thread and the ignorance just amazes me. Read the following and then do the right thing and keep your cat indoors where it belongs. http://www.wildliferescueleague.org/cats.html http://www.abcbirds.org/cats/ Dave I have read your articles, and I disagree 100%. Cats were created to roam, and I wouldn't keep one locked up indoors on a bet. Not only that, but if "100's of millions of birds" are killed every year by cats, there must be trillions of cats out there with no food to eat.....My four cats haven't killed 1/2 dozen birds in the last 10 years. For one thing, birds are very hard to kill....Snakes, lizards and field mice are much easier, and even the feral cat lived on mice and voles for the first couple of years of his life before we started feeding him. But, when you get right down to it, birds are very low on the order of life, and they are among the most heartless living things in existence. I couldn't care less how many birds that my cats kill, to tell the truth. Have you ever seen a bunch of chickens peck one of their number to death? - If you had, you would gain a vastly different perspective on birds. Sure, they are pretty....Some of them are downright beautiful. But that doesn't make them any more compassionate than any other animal.... Your article greatly exaggerates the number of birds that fall prey to outside cats.....It only serves as an excuse for teenagers (or those with a teenage mentality) to kill cats. You're a moron. Only good thing about youor cats being outside is they get to get away from you. Dave |
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Help, my cat is a serial killer!
"Dave F" wrote in message birds. Sure, they are pretty....Some of them are downright beautiful. But that doesn't make them any more compassionate than any other animal.... You're a moron. Only good thing about youor cats being outside is they get to get away from you. Then I must be a moron too. Much as I've disagreed with William in the past, I have little disregard for birds too aside from the insects they might eat. Try going down to the islands in Toronto sometime and see how long it takes you to lose any consideration for birds. Trekking out to a picnic table with the family means walking very carefully through the goose ****. And don't forget to bring all the cleansers and paper towel, because the picnic table will be saturated. They should all be shot, cooked and fed to the homeless population in the city. Sitting out at your picnic table for a few seconds means you'll get covered in pigeon ****. They're nothing more than flying diapers. Any chance of enjoying the outdoors will inevitably be ruined in minutes by birds. For the first ten years in my apartment, the balcony was virtually unusable because of the pigeon ****. Cleaning the balcony meant one day of usage and then be prepared to clean again. Birds of all types should be hunted, shot, poisoned and everything else that gets rid of them. So yeah, I'm a moron too. |
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Help, my cat is a serial killer!
"Dave F" wrote in message . .. You're a moron. Only good thing about youor cats being outside is they get to get away from you. Dave I am amazed and astounded by your incredible ability to argue your point....You must have been the capitan of your debating team in college. Your ability to discuss this issue is almost as good as your ability to evaluate statistics such as the, "millions of birds" that fall victim to cats every year. Have you considered running for president? If not, then I suggest you think seriously about it. This nation needs leadership that is capable of such brilliant perspicasity and imagination. |
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Help, my cat is a serial killer!
"Dave F" wrote in message [snip] I just read through this thread and the ignorance just amazes me. Read the following and then do the right thing and keep your cat indoors where it belongs. Sigh.. PLEASE let's not start this argument again. Cats are not naturally indoor animals. No animals are. Ivor |
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Help, my cat is a serial killer!
"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
... "Dave F" wrote in message [snip] I just read through this thread and the ignorance just amazes me. Read the following and then do the right thing and keep your cat indoors where it belongs. Sigh.. PLEASE let's not start this argument again. Cats are not naturally indoor animals. No animals are. They are domesticated, you flaming ****ing idiot, and belong indoors now, unless you want them to have short miserable lives. I had a bonehead friend who was as stupid as you are. She let her cat outside in a busy city and never saw him again. I had no sympathy for her, especially after the ignorant bitch said that she would rather him have a short lifespan and go outside than a long lifespan and stay in. My indoor cats are so happy. Happy and fiesty and SAFE. They sit in the screened windows and enjoy the birds and squirrels and chipmunks and bugs and rabbits that would not be there if they went out. They never try to get out. They have caught two mice that came in, but they didn't eat them, why should they, cat food is easier? So they didn't get any disease the mice happened to carry. It's 2007. It's not safe outside for ANYONE, but particularly not for creatures with little cat brains. Take your cats to a shelter. They are better off there. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Help, my cat is a serial killer!
"cybercat" wrote in message .. . "Ivor Jones" wrote in message ... "Dave F" wrote in message [snip] I just read through this thread and the ignorance just amazes me. Read the following and then do the right thing and keep your cat indoors where it belongs. Sigh.. PLEASE let's not start this argument again. Cats are not naturally indoor animals. No animals are. They are domesticated, you flaming ****ing idiot, and belong indoors now, unless you want them to have short miserable lives. I had a bonehead friend who was as stupid as you are. She let her cat outside in a busy city and never saw him again. I had no sympathy for her, especially after the ignorant bitch said that she would rather him have a short lifespan and go outside than a long lifespan and stay in. My indoor cats are so happy. Happy and fiesty and SAFE. They sit in the screened windows and enjoy the birds and squirrels and chipmunks and bugs and rabbits that would not be there if they went out. They never try to get out. They have caught two mice that came in, but they didn't eat them, why should they, cat food is easier? So they didn't get any disease the mice happened to carry. It's 2007. It's not safe outside for ANYONE, but particularly not for creatures with little cat brains. Take your cats to a shelter. They are better off there. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Don't bother with these "things". They are incapable of understanding even the most basic science/fact, such as domesticated cats not being a native species, and why it's so horribly wrong for the human animal to suddenly dump millions of these poor cats outdoors. I gave them the links which explains it all in detail, and their responses were absolutely ridiculous. Dave |
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Help, my cat is a serial killer!
"Dave F" wrote
Don't bother with these "things". Now, now, Dave. Isn't that a little harsh? After all, stump stupid, irresponsible assholes are people too. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Help, my cat is a serial killer!
"Ivor Jones" wrote in message ... "Dave F" wrote in message [snip] I just read through this thread and the ignorance just amazes me. Read the following and then do the right thing and keep your cat indoors where it belongs. Sigh.. PLEASE let's not start this argument again. Cats are not naturally indoor animals. No animals are. Ivor To me, it depends on where you live, and the circumstances....I have known many who lived in a big city, and who had perfectly fine indoor cats that were happy and lived long, healthy lives. But in my case, I live on the edge of town, and most of my cats found me, rather than my finding them. They simply wandered in one day and liked the smell of my food, so they elected to stay. It is neither my right, nor my desire to trap them inside my house. They have the whole world to wander in, and I don't intend to restrict that freedom. If they are cold and/or hungry, then I am there for them. Otherwise, they can come and go as they please. For sure, I am not going to restrict their activities because they might kill some bird or frog or any other creature....I am not God. I didn't create this screwed-up world. All I try to do is make it as easy as possible for the creatures I like. It's true that I could make it easier for the birds if I didn't take care of cats. but somewhere on the order of life, one has to stop caring. I could save millions of bacteria by not walking on the sidewalk, too. So, we worry about the creatures we like, and sacrifice those we don't care about. I could care less for birds....I'm sorry, but they are too far down on the order of things for me to worry about. That's just the way it is...... I might add that society seems to agree with me. There is no law that restricts cats to the property as it does dogs. Birds are considered by the society to be far enough down on the order of things to not deserve that kind of protection....If they are stupid enough to be caught by cats, then they "deserve" to die, according to the law. |
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Help, my cat is a serial killer!
"cybercat" wrote in message .. . "Ivor Jones" wrote in message ... "Dave F" wrote in message [snip] I just read through this thread and the ignorance just amazes me. Read the following and then do the right thing and keep your cat indoors where it belongs. Sigh.. PLEASE let's not start this argument again. Cats are not naturally indoor animals. No animals are. They are domesticated, you flaming ****ing idiot, and belong indoors now, unless you want them to have short miserable lives. I had a bonehead friend who was as stupid as you are. She let her cat outside in a busy city and never saw him again. I had no sympathy for her, especially after the ignorant bitch said that she would rather him have a short lifespan and go outside than a long lifespan and stay in. My indoor cats are so happy. Happy and fiesty and SAFE. They sit in the screened windows and enjoy the birds and squirrels and chipmunks and bugs and rabbits that would not be there if they went out. They never try to get out. They have caught two mice that came in, but they didn't eat them, why should they, cat food is easier? So they didn't get any disease the mice happened to carry. It's 2007. It's not safe outside for ANYONE, but particularly not for creatures with little cat brains. Take your cats to a shelter. They are better off there. What's boneheaded is to believe that everyone lives in the same place, and/or under the same circumstances.....My cousin used to own half interest in Souvereign Vineyards in Northern California...She had a huge grape farm....She kept three or four huge Siamese cats that she didn't feed, so they had to live off of the birds they could catch in the orchard. They were lean and mean, but they still enjoyed human company, because they would rest about 20 yards or so from the porch on my cousin's house when they weren't hunting. The very idea that she could and/or would make these "indoor cats" in ridiculous....They were working cats, and that's how they paid for their keep....By killing birds, and keeping them off the grapes. On the other hand, I had a girl friend who lived on a busy street corner in San Francisco. She had two cats that never went outside. If they did, they would probably have been run down in short order by the Geary Street traffic. |
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