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Old April 27th 05, 07:33 PM
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 02:57:23 GMT, "Philip"
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This is *why* Oci breeders say things like that.


I never said WHO told me this.


This is true. Apologies for jumping to conclusions, but I
have heard (and been told) those precise words myself from Oci
breeders. It irks me a little bit.

Bengals are
not pit bulls, not vicious wild animals, and not unpredictable in
temperament. They are loving, *domestic* cats that happen to have the
gorgeous coat pattern of a leopard or margay.


Considering the rather un-catlike behaviors I witnessed at a Bengal cattery
were F3+ cats were present, I would beg to differ. I have never seen plain
ol loveable housecats JUMP INTO water ...


Norwegian Forest Cats like water, and will seek it out.

or run in a spinning wheel like a
hamster ...


Cat wheels tend to be very popular with Bengal breeders
because Bengals need *so* *much* exercise, but other breeds use them
too.

or leap vertically or horizontally distances of 6-8 feet ...


*grin* I did say that they were athletic.

or
growl like like a large dog. You?


Heh. As a groomer and a behaviourist, I have heard
innumerable cats of all breeds and types growl at me. The scariest
was a Maine Coon that was having a serious redirected aggression
problem.

I had a 12 month old Bengal run up my
arm (good thing I had a long sleeved sweatshirt on), perch on my shoulder
and then stick its nose in my ear. You?


Yeah, Kefka and Temujin are shoulder kitties. They like to
hop up and say 'hi'. Of course, I also know at least three Devon Rex
that do the same thing.


I visited Mrs. Mills home/cattery. That was the only breeder I've visited.
Her cats were all very lively and curious. He prized breeding male had a
voice like no ordinary housecat. Paced a lot. Intreguiging.


Bengal voices do tend to be.....unique. *grin*


I guess all I am saying is that Bengals are not these wild
animals that cannot be trusted. They have some quirky behaviours, but
none of which are unheard of in domestic cats as a species.
They *are* completely domestic. A DNA test of an F4 or
greater will reveal none of the 'wild' markers of the ALC. The
rabies vaccine works on them, and they are no more unpredictable or
ill-tempered than any other cat. IME, in fact, they have sweeter
temperaments.




Orchid
See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage
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Old April 27th 05, 08:07 PM
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CatNipped wrote:
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Well, Sherry? How's your Assholeometer reading now?


Heh. He met Sherry's Assholio Criteria the moment he show his obvious
assholiness toward women.

Sherry


This attitude is what I discerned just a little bit sooner and got
trashed by some here for pointing out - others who are now being
trashed in turn by him (cough*Lyn*cough). Whenever I see a man who
feels so clearly "superior" to beings weaker than himself (be it
women, children, or animals) red warning lights start going off in my
mind. It may be subtle, but if you've ever dealt with a abusive
person you get to know even the most subtle of signs to watch for,
the use of words that tips you off (it's developed in self-defense
and I really can understand how others won't pick up on it as soon).


CatNipped


Those little red lights ... in you mind ... you overdosed. You are damaged
goods, CN



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Old April 27th 05, 08:07 PM
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Orchid wrote:

Heh. As a groomer and a behaviourist, I have heard
innumerable cats of all breeds and types growl at me. The scariest
was a Maine Coon that was having a serious redirected aggression
problem.

I had a 12 week old Bengal run up my
arm (good thing I had a long sleeved sweatshirt on), perch on my
shoulder and then stick its nose in my ear. You?


Yeah, Kefka and Temujin are shoulder kitties. They like to
hop up and say 'hi'. Of course, I also know at least three Devon Rex
that do the same thing.


I visited Mrs. Mills home/cattery. That was the only breeder I've
visited. Her cats were all very lively and curious. He prized
breeding male had a voice like no ordinary housecat. Paced a lot.
Intreguiging.


Bengal voices do tend to be.....unique. *grin*


I guess all I am saying is that Bengals are not these wild
animals that cannot be trusted. They have some quirky behaviours, but
none of which are unheard of in domestic cats as a species.
They *are* completely domestic. A DNA test of an F4 or
greater will reveal none of the 'wild' markers of the ALC. The
rabies vaccine works on them, and they are no more unpredictable or
ill-tempered than any other cat. IME, in fact, they have sweeter
temperaments.

Orchid


Until the past week, I had NEVER visited a cat breeder nor a pound. The
interest in Bengals and Ocicats has been a research odyssey. Thank you for
your input. Now that I've figured out how to filter out the riff raff
posts, things can only improve. ;-)



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Old April 27th 05, 08:13 PM
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Wow, Phillip. You're really kinda bonkers, aren't you?

Silly woman. Husband leaving the cap off the toothpaste, or leaving a


towel on the floor, or vomiting from your cooking equates to feline
spraying outside the box?


The lovely man vomited from food poisoning from a cheap chinese
restaurant. He and I are both *ahem* phenomenal cooks, but sometimes ya
gotta grab a quick bite.

I was equating behavior that is annoying to me and messes up my house.

followed up by ..."but he's still here." Probably
because he still keeps a roof over your head.


He's getting a Ph.D. We split expenses proportionately. And we're madly
in love with each other.

You better keep faking it., LOL


Guess I'm a lucky girl. Don't have to :

I'm sure he loves being equated with a cat. IMO, that's
disrespectful, but you're entitled to equate him with whatever you
want - he's yours.


He couldn't care less. There's four occupants in our home - 2 human and
2 feline. They all have needs and they all ocaisionally do annoying
stuff. They're all loved.

You women. "He's yours" until ... a younger replacement comes along
and gives him "the eye." Then for a moment ... maybe longer, he

AIN'T yours. LOL

Six years and counting. And ummmm... he's younger than me and dumped a
younger girlfriend FOR me. Some people have actual relationships
instead of trophy souvenirs.

Since you like human anologies - Would you choose to marry an
alcoholic just because he's a "hard case" or an "underdog"? Many
women do, and would argue that you need to "help those less
fortunate". I don't get the logic, personally.


I'm not helping an alcholic by marrying them. What they need is help to
stop drinking destructively. Marrying them isn't providing that. What
a scared homeless cat needs is a home. That IS helping them and giving
them what they need.

"tracyrose" is spouting feel good gibberish. Let's say two men have
extraordinarily attractive personalities. But one is a well built

man with
a good income while the other walks with a cane and is on permanent
Disability.


Depends which one I'm in love with and which one makes me happy and
fills my soul and brings me joy and acts like a true partner to me.
Being well-built with a good income doesn't make someone right for me.
It's nice for them and a heck of a lot easier and gives them more
choices in their life, that's all.

Oh ... and did I mention that our "tracyrose" wants to start a
family. I expect to hear a lot of lip service to an ideal but looking

around
the first candidate wins the right to breed. Do you like that word
..."breed"!? LOL (sorry ... could not resist)


Nope. If I wanted to start a family, I have lovely human breeding stock
right here at home, no need to look. But he and I love our lives and
work and don't feel the need for children. We have a passel of nieces
and nephews and friends and kitties and that's enough. There's
overpopulation on the human front, too and humans use up alot more
resources than animals do and are far more destructive. So we're going
to *not* add to the problem.

  #366  
Old April 27th 05, 08:14 PM
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"Philip" wrote in message
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CatNipped wrote:
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Well, Sherry? How's your Assholeometer reading now?

Heh. He met Sherry's Assholio Criteria the moment he show his obvious
assholiness toward women.

Sherry


This attitude is what I discerned just a little bit sooner and got
trashed by some here for pointing out - others who are now being
trashed in turn by him (cough*Lyn*cough). Whenever I see a man who
feels so clearly "superior" to beings weaker than himself (be it
women, children, or animals) red warning lights start going off in my
mind. It may be subtle, but if you've ever dealt with a abusive
person you get to know even the most subtle of signs to watch for,
the use of words that tips you off (it's developed in self-defense
and I really can understand how others won't pick up on it as soon).


CatNipped


Those little red lights ... in you mind ... you overdosed. You are damaged
goods, CN


See, like that, "damaged goods" - objectifying, belittling, implying that
women are the same as bartered items. Totally typical of an abusive
personality. And if a man is abusive towards women it's a sure bet children
and animals (especially cats - sigh) are not safe around him either.


  #367  
Old April 27th 05, 09:28 PM
Philip
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wrote:
Wow, Phillip. You're really kinda bonkers, aren't you?

Silly woman. Husband leaving the cap off the toothpaste, or leaving a


towel on the floor, or vomiting from your cooking equates to feline
spraying outside the box?


The lovely man vomited from food poisoning from a cheap chinese
restaurant. He and I are both *ahem* phenomenal cooks, but sometimes
ya gotta grab a quick bite.

I was equating behavior that is annoying to me and messes up my house.

followed up by ..."but he's still here." Probably
because he still keeps a roof over your head.


He's getting a Ph.D. We split expenses proportionately. And we're
madly in love with each other.

You better keep faking it., LOL


Guess I'm a lucky girl. Don't have to :

I'm sure he loves being equated with a cat. IMO, that's
disrespectful, but you're entitled to equate him with whatever you
want - he's yours.


He couldn't care less. There's four occupants in our home - 2 human
and 2 feline. They all have needs and they all ocaisionally do
annoying stuff. They're all loved.

You women. "He's yours" until ... a younger replacement comes along
and gives him "the eye." Then for a moment ... maybe longer, he
AIN'T yours. LOL


Six years and counting. And ummmm... he's younger than me and dumped
a younger girlfriend FOR me. Some people have actual relationships
instead of trophy souvenirs.

Since you like human anologies - Would you choose to marry an
alcoholic just because he's a "hard case" or an "underdog"? Many
women do, and would argue that you need to "help those less
fortunate". I don't get the logic, personally.


I'm not helping an alcholic by marrying them. What they need is help
to stop drinking destructively. Marrying them isn't providing that.
What a scared homeless cat needs is a home. That IS helping them and
giving them what they need.

"tracyrose" is spouting feel good gibberish. Let's say two men have
extraordinarily attractive personalities. But one is a well built

man with
a good income while the other walks with a cane and is on permanent
Disability.


Depends which one I'm in love with and which one makes me happy and
fills my soul and brings me joy and acts like a true partner to me.
Being well-built with a good income doesn't make someone right for me.
It's nice for them and a heck of a lot easier and gives them more
choices in their life, that's all.

Oh ... and did I mention that our "tracyrose" wants to start a
family. I expect to hear a lot of lip service to an ideal but
looking around the first candidate wins the right to breed. Do you
like that word ..."breed"!? LOL (sorry ... could not resist)


Nope. If I wanted to start a family, I have lovely human breeding
stock right here at home, no need to look. But he and I love our
lives and work and don't feel the need for children. We have a passel
of nieces and nephews and friends and kitties and that's enough.
There's overpopulation on the human front, too and humans use up alot
more resources than animals do and are far more destructive. So we're
going to *not* add to the problem.


You're attitude is young, idealistic, and making me nauseous. ;^) We've
got almost 40 yrs marriage and two kids raised and on their own. If you
don't want children, get separate beds or one of you get sterilized. Kids
change evvvvvvverything.




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Old April 27th 05, 09:54 PM
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:57:20 -0500, kaeli
wrote:

In article ,
enlightened us with...

Why does the life of a cat -- or a thousand cats -- matter at all?


Why wouldn't they?

Shoot a cat; save a lot of rabbits and birds.


Educate owners, save more cats, rabbits, AND birds.

This moralizing about
cat breeders vs. shelters is bull****.


To you, perhaps.
Take care not to step in it.

As for the guy tossing starfish into the ocean... that's a crock of
**** too. I don't even think starfish have a central nervous system.


Your point being?

I would refer you to your own sig file for the answer to that
question, because I could not have said it better myself.

Charlie
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Old April 27th 05, 10:36 PM
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"Philip" wrote

You're attitude is young, idealistic, and making me nauseous. ;^) We've
got almost 40 yrs marriage and two kids raised and on their own. If you
don't want children, get separate beds or one of you get sterilized. Kids
change evvvvvvverything.


You know, you can be old without being a bitter asshole. I know lots
of terrific old people.


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Old April 27th 05, 10:38 PM
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"CatNipped" wrote in message
...
"Philip" wrote in message
news
CatNipped wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

Well, Sherry? How's your Assholeometer reading now?

Heh. He met Sherry's Assholio Criteria the moment he show his obvious
assholiness toward women.

Sherry

This attitude is what I discerned just a little bit sooner and got
trashed by some here for pointing out - others who are now being
trashed in turn by him (cough*Lyn*cough). Whenever I see a man who
feels so clearly "superior" to beings weaker than himself (be it
women, children, or animals) red warning lights start going off in my
mind. It may be subtle, but if you've ever dealt with a abusive
person you get to know even the most subtle of signs to watch for,
the use of words that tips you off (it's developed in self-defense
and I really can understand how others won't pick up on it as soon).


CatNipped


Those little red lights ... in you mind ... you overdosed. You are

damaged
goods, CN


See, like that, "damaged goods" - objectifying, belittling, implying that
women are the same as bartered items. Totally typical of an abusive
personality. And if a man is abusive towards women it's a sure bet

children
and animals (especially cats - sigh) are not safe around him either.



Yeth but he is thtill twolling you doll. He likes the reaction.


 




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