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It's interesting, do you think it's a cultural thing? How long have
people in the US been doing these things? Perhaps it's not the general population, just people in cat groups As I say, I wasn't saying that either way is right, it's just interesting how people do things differently. Marcia Lord Otis's slave and minder [Replying to RCPA only] In most of the parts of the US where I've lived, letting cats outdoors would have gretly reduced their lifespans. Even in heavily urbanized areas like Silicon Valley, it was not all that unusual to see coyotes coming down out of the hills and prowling residential neighborhoods at night. The part of town we live in now is one of the nicest. There are dogs running loose once in a while, cars driving by way too fast, and coyotes and mountain lions coming out of the river bottom. However, our kitties do love their outside time! We have a little back yard, completely fenced. I've securely blocked all of the gaps between fence posts and walks, raised the top of the fence with plastic netting, and in general made the yard cat-proof. None of the kitties has ever left the yard since we finished the kitty proofing. And since they have a safe place, they love to spend time outdoors. They love to be able to lie in the sun, to chase bugs and lizards, to hunt gophers, and to have room to run and play with each other. If I didn't have a kitty-proof yard I wouldn't even dream of letting them outdoors. It would be a very fast death sentence. The only exceptions are that Harri Roadcat loves to go for leash walks, Ranger seems to like it a lot, and Amelia doesn't mind a short leash walk once in a while. Dan |
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"jmcquown" wrote in message ... kilikini wrote: "Janet B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:13:55 GMT, "kilikini" , clicked their heels and said: You can't have an indoor/outdoor cat without infesting your house with fleas, mites and ticks or whatever. I just don't see the point. kili While my cats stay in, for their safety and wellbeing, the above comment is absurd. Dogs go out every day and don't infest houses with fleas, mites and ticks, and cats are no different. My cats can go on the deck or patio with us, but never unattended outside, and I don't trust the dog behind me not to come over the fence at them, so close to the house or not at all. Skipjack say not at all - he will stay in an open doorway. As far as cultural differences, the US is a very different place from many other countries. The population (human, feline,, canine, wild animals) just can't be compared, nor that vicious beast, the automobile. Ha! I've had dogs before that were indoor/outdoor dogs. I'm sorry, Frontline doesn't cut it. I gave my dog frontline 2 times a month and I'd still pick about 200 ticks off of him and he was infested with fleas. I gave him baths weekly. The products don't work. Try to live on Maui and see if you don't have the same results. kili kili, dear... do yourself (and rpca) a favour and cut out the cross posting when you reply. There are some real fanatics on h+b who like to lord it over everyone, them being "experts" (ha!) Needless to say, you are correct. I don't know about other folks, but my dog - Sampson (RB) - was an indoor dog; he only went out to use the potty. Jill But you do mean you took him out for a walk regularly where he could have a run off the lead now and again? Tweed |
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Christina Websell wrote:
"jmcquown" wrote in message ... kilikini wrote: "Janet B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:13:55 GMT, "kilikini" , clicked their heels and said: You can't have an indoor/outdoor cat without infesting your house with fleas, mites and ticks or whatever. I just don't see the point. kili While my cats stay in, for their safety and wellbeing, the above comment is absurd. Dogs go out every day and don't infest houses with fleas, mites and ticks, and cats are no different. My cats can go on the deck or patio with us, but never unattended outside, and I don't trust the dog behind me not to come over the fence at them, so close to the house or not at all. Skipjack say not at all - he will stay in an open doorway. As far as cultural differences, the US is a very different place from many other countries. The population (human, feline,, canine, wild animals) just can't be compared, nor that vicious beast, the automobile. Ha! I've had dogs before that were indoor/outdoor dogs. I'm sorry, Frontline doesn't cut it. I gave my dog frontline 2 times a month and I'd still pick about 200 ticks off of him and he was infested with fleas. I gave him baths weekly. The products don't work. Try to live on Maui and see if you don't have the same results. kili kili, dear... do yourself (and rpca) a favour and cut out the cross posting when you reply. There are some real fanatics on h+b who like to lord it over everyone, them being "experts" (ha!) Needless to say, you are correct. I don't know about other folks, but my dog - Sampson (RB) - was an indoor dog; he only went out to use the potty. Jill But you do mean you took him out for a walk regularly where he could have a run off the lead now and again? Tweed I once had a house where I could let him run in the fenced yard for a bit. When it snowed, I went out and dug a trench in the snow for him to be able to poop and pee. Otherwise he never ran off the leash. I walked with him... his lead extended to about 20 feet. I have always lived too close to a busy street to let him run off the lead. He lived 18 years so apparently I did something the right way Jill |
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"jmcquown" wrote in message news Christina Websell wrote: "jmcquown" wrote in message ... kilikini wrote: "Janet B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:13:55 GMT, "kilikini" , clicked their heels and said: You can't have an indoor/outdoor cat without infesting your house with fleas, mites and ticks or whatever. I just don't see the point. kili While my cats stay in, for their safety and wellbeing, the above comment is absurd. Dogs go out every day and don't infest houses with fleas, mites and ticks, and cats are no different. My cats can go on the deck or patio with us, but never unattended outside, and I don't trust the dog behind me not to come over the fence at them, so close to the house or not at all. Skipjack say not at all - he will stay in an open doorway. As far as cultural differences, the US is a very different place from many other countries. The population (human, feline,, canine, wild animals) just can't be compared, nor that vicious beast, the automobile. Ha! I've had dogs before that were indoor/outdoor dogs. I'm sorry, Frontline doesn't cut it. I gave my dog frontline 2 times a month and I'd still pick about 200 ticks off of him and he was infested with fleas. I gave him baths weekly. The products don't work. Try to live on Maui and see if you don't have the same results. kili kili, dear... do yourself (and rpca) a favour and cut out the cross posting when you reply. There are some real fanatics on h+b who like to lord it over everyone, them being "experts" (ha!) Needless to say, you are correct. I don't know about other folks, but my dog - Sampson (RB) - was an indoor dog; he only went out to use the potty. Jill But you do mean you took him out for a walk regularly where he could have a run off the lead now and again? Tweed I once had a house where I could let him run in the fenced yard for a bit. When it snowed, I went out and dug a trench in the snow for him to be able to poop and pee. Otherwise he never ran off the leash. I walked with him... his lead extended to about 20 feet. I have always lived too close to a busy street to let him run off the lead. He lived 18 years so apparently I did something the right way Jill There is definitely a cultural difference between the USA and the UK then. It would not be seen as acceptable in the UK for a dog never to run off lead even if only at the weekend on a visit outside town. A shelter here would not allow a dog adoption if it had to stay on a lead all its life. They would rightly say you do not have the facilities. Tweed |
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"kilikini" wrote in message . .. I don't want my cats outside because cars don't stop for them, we have raccoons (rabid), possums (rabid), rats (rabid) not to mention the fleas, ear mites, feline leukemia, feline aids.........why WOULD you let your cat out? Seriously? Do you like paying for vet visits? My female cat, Chloe is very happy to be where she is; she's SUCH the sweetheart, my male cat is a devil in cat's clothing. I'd love to let him out just to get the dickens out of him, but at what cost? You can't have an indoor/outdoor cat without infesting your house with fleas, mites and ticks or whatever. I just don't see the point. kili I think you might be overstating this just a wee bit. I live in the US (and have lived in England as well) and I let my cat out. Of course, we live on a very large tract of land in the suburbs and he has never strayed off the lawn, which gives him a couple of acres to roam around. He doesn't have flea, ticks, or earmites. In fact, he is completely and totally healthy and happy. My cat is innoculated and always has been. Yes, there are animals that carry rabies in our town, but he has a yearly rabies shot (recommended by our vet who thinks it's safer for outdoor cats than the 3 year shot) and he's such a scardy cat that he would run under the house if he ever came across anything wild anyhow. He doesn't go out at night ever, he's only out a couple of hours a day in the warmer months and then asks to come in. I've kept him indoors when we lived in a less safe place and he rewarded me by peeing all over the house. You want to know why I let him out? Because I am sick to death of roaming the house with a blacklight trying to find out where the damn cat peed. When he goes out, the peeing stops. Period. Marjorie |
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"kilikini" wrote in message ... "Janet B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:13:55 GMT, "kilikini" , clicked their heels and said: You can't have an indoor/outdoor cat without infesting your house with fleas, mites and ticks or whatever. I just don't see the point. kili While my cats stay in, for their safety and wellbeing, the above comment is absurd. Dogs go out every day and don't infest houses with fleas, mites and ticks, and cats are no different. My cats can go on the deck or patio with us, but never unattended outside, and I don't trust the dog behind me not to come over the fence at them, so close to the house or not at all. Skipjack say not at all - he will stay in an open doorway. As far as cultural differences, the US is a very different place from many other countries. The population (human, feline,, canine, wild animals) just can't be compared, nor that vicious beast, the automobile. Ha! I've had dogs before that were indoor/outdoor dogs. I'm sorry, Frontline doesn't cut it. I gave my dog frontline 2 times a month and I'd still pick about 200 ticks off of him and he was infested with fleas. I gave him baths weekly. The products don't work. Try to live on Maui and see if you don't have the same results. kili We don't all live on Maui, nor do we want to. I live in New England, and although we do have ticks (Lyme Diesease was discovered in Connecticut) and we do have fleas, I find that Frontline works magnificently well and neither my dogs or my cat has ever had a flea problem. |
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"Janet B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:09:11 GMT, "kilikini" , clicked their heels and said: Ha! I've had dogs before that were indoor/outdoor dogs. I'm sorry, Frontline doesn't cut it. I gave my dog frontline 2 times a month and I'd still pick about 200 ticks off of him and he was infested with fleas. I gave him baths weekly. The products don't work. Try to live on Maui and see if you don't have the same results. well, ALL dogs are indoor/outdoor unles you litter train them! And of course, dogs are social beings, and keeping them enclosed in a house 24/7 would not be healthy for their behavior. My dogs don't live outdoors, they live in the house. They spend varying periods of time outside with me though, and I do not use any flea/tick preventative products. I'm a big believer that healthy pets don't tend to attract pests much. I live in a climate where the summers are hot and sticky and humid. Mosquitos never actually die here, nor do fleas. I do not have fleas on my dogs, my cats, or in my house. A rare tick every year or so, and I do field training with my one dog, so he's in a populated environment. 200 ticks on your dog? Something is very, very wrong there. Nope, common thing on Maui. You just can't get rid of the ticks. I've sprayed my yard, I've sprayed indoors, one the frontline and you still just get infested. Everyone's dogs are like that if you have a sandy based soil. It's just disgusting. And it's everyone's problem. Nothing you can do. kili |
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"animzmirot" wrote in message ... "kilikini" wrote in message ... "Janet B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:13:55 GMT, "kilikini" , clicked their heels and said: You can't have an indoor/outdoor cat without infesting your house with fleas, mites and ticks or whatever. I just don't see the point. kili While my cats stay in, for their safety and wellbeing, the above comment is absurd. Dogs go out every day and don't infest houses with fleas, mites and ticks, and cats are no different. My cats can go on the deck or patio with us, but never unattended outside, and I don't trust the dog behind me not to come over the fence at them, so close to the house or not at all. Skipjack say not at all - he will stay in an open doorway. As far as cultural differences, the US is a very different place from many other countries. The population (human, feline,, canine, wild animals) just can't be compared, nor that vicious beast, the automobile. Ha! I've had dogs before that were indoor/outdoor dogs. I'm sorry, Frontline doesn't cut it. I gave my dog frontline 2 times a month and I'd still pick about 200 ticks off of him and he was infested with fleas. I gave him baths weekly. The products don't work. Try to live on Maui and see if you don't have the same results. kili We don't all live on Maui, nor do we want to. I live in New England, and although we do have ticks (Lyme Diesease was discovered in Connecticut) and we do have fleas, I find that Frontline works magnificently well and neither my dogs or my cat has ever had a flea problem. I'd go back to Maui in a heartbeat. I even asked my veterinarian in Florida about the Frontline/Advantage products and he admitted that they don't work on Brown Dog Ticks which afflict the Hawaiian islands so prevalently. It's just the way it is. kili |
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America is obsessed with safety. For example, everything
has to be 'safe for the children'. Political correctness is another national obsession. Of course, the fact is that we are a violent, inhumane society. |
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My 3 cats are indoor only cats and here's why;
My 1st cat (when I was 4), run over by car 2nd cat (I was 16) died of Feline Leukemia 3rd & 4th cats run over by car (I was in college). And the 4th cat was only allowed outside while someone was watching it.... So my mother got to watch the cat get run over by a car. Its deplorable how long it took for me to learn this lesson. About cats wanting to go outside; a heroin addict wants to shoot up too. I don't think either is good for their health. And all indoor cats aren't declawed. And all vets don't agree with declawing cats and some of us out right refuse to do it completely. These are just some of my many un-humble opinions. Oh yea, indoor only cats can live 20+ years (mine are now 14, 14 & 16). Average life expectance for an outdoor cat (at least in these parts) is 8 years. (I'll try not to fall off this very tall soap box). |
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