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On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:36:04 +0000, Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil
wrote: Quoth Bob Brenchley.: I prefer to take their word too. And from my years of experience with them (as a member, volunteer and adopter), I've learned that they can and do rehome healthy indoor only cats. Argue all you like but that's the bottom line. *shrug* As already explained. You are either a liar or a troll. You're making that claim - prove it. Jacqueline has offered evidence for hers. You're required to offer some evidence that Jacqueline is lying (no, offering evidence for your original claim won't do the trick, and in any case you haven't accomplished that - all you've been doing is practising argument by repeated assertion, which never works). Strange, I've seen no evidence which carries any weight from her. Given her stance, that she has had healthy cats placed in her care by Cats Protection, with CP knowing in advance that she will be keeping them indoors 24/7, we are left with only two alternatives that fit reality. Either she is lying and the cats are not normal healthy cats, or she is just trolling (another form of lying). When you have worked with Cats Protection, and known as many other people who worked with them as I have, you can see through her very easily. Incidentally, do you have a catflap? Yes, both in the house and in the office. I sincerely hope so. Otherwise, there will be points at which your cats desire to go outside or come inside, and by your own argument, not to allow a cat free passage is an act of cruelty. Cats are, obviously, freely-roaming creatures, and if it's cruel to confine them, then it must be cruel to confine them even temporarily... THERE are times when it is necessary to confine them, mine are usually in overnight, but that is as much for the safety of other animals as their own. ...mustn't it...? In fact, one could even argue that since cats are genetically identical to at least one species of wildcat, and can freely interbreed with them, then to attempt to keep them as pets in any way is an interference with their natural life, and thereby an act of abuse. I don't approve of more of the misbred "pedigree" cats and most normal cats elect to live with us. But I doubt you are about to set yours free... are you, Bob? Would you look for them if they didn't come home? Of course I would look for them, but the point is that they are free to go elsewhere if they wanted. *sigh* I remember when you started posting here... you seemed so amusing, so promising... What happened, Bob? What happened? Several years of dealing with lying animal abusing trolls. -- Bob. In the beginning, there was nothing. And God said, "Let there be Light." And there was still nothing, but you could see a bit better. |
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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:46:00 +0000, Bob Brenchley.
wrote: On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:36:04 +0000, Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil wrote: Quoth Bob Brenchley.: I prefer to take their word too. And from my years of experience with them (as a member, volunteer and adopter), I've learned that they can and do rehome healthy indoor only cats. Argue all you like but that's the bottom line. *shrug* As already explained. You are either a liar or a troll. You're making that claim - prove it. Jacqueline has offered evidence for hers. You're required to offer some evidence that Jacqueline is lying (no, offering evidence for your original claim won't do the trick, and in any case you haven't accomplished that - all you've been doing is practising argument by repeated assertion, which never works). Strange, I've seen no evidence which carries any weight from her. Given her stance, that she has had healthy cats placed in her care by Cats Protection, with CP knowing in advance that she will be keeping them indoors 24/7, we are left with only two alternatives that fit reality. Either she is lying and the cats are not normal healthy cats, or she is just trolling (another form of lying). As I've said *REPEATEDLY* I can give you evidence - what evidence do you need? I'll happily provide. When you have worked with Cats Protection, and known as many other people who worked with them as I have, you can see through her very easily. I'd like to see your 'evidence' too. And not just the cut & paste stock answer you've been purporting for the past x years either. |
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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:46:00 +0000, Bob Brenchley.
wrote: On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:36:04 +0000, Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil wrote: Quoth Bob Brenchley.: I prefer to take their word too. And from my years of experience with them (as a member, volunteer and adopter), I've learned that they can and do rehome healthy indoor only cats. Argue all you like but that's the bottom line. *shrug* As already explained. You are either a liar or a troll. You're making that claim - prove it. Jacqueline has offered evidence for hers. You're required to offer some evidence that Jacqueline is lying (no, offering evidence for your original claim won't do the trick, and in any case you haven't accomplished that - all you've been doing is practising argument by repeated assertion, which never works). Strange, I've seen no evidence which carries any weight from her. Given her stance, that she has had healthy cats placed in her care by Cats Protection, with CP knowing in advance that she will be keeping them indoors 24/7, we are left with only two alternatives that fit reality. Either she is lying and the cats are not normal healthy cats, or she is just trolling (another form of lying). As I've said *REPEATEDLY* I can give you evidence - what evidence do you need? I'll happily provide. When you have worked with Cats Protection, and known as many other people who worked with them as I have, you can see through her very easily. I'd like to see your 'evidence' too. And not just the cut & paste stock answer you've been purporting for the past x years either. |
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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:44:20 +0000, Jacqueline
wrote: On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:46:00 +0000, Bob Brenchley. wrote: On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:36:04 +0000, Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil wrote: Quoth Bob Brenchley.: I prefer to take their word too. And from my years of experience with them (as a member, volunteer and adopter), I've learned that they can and do rehome healthy indoor only cats. Argue all you like but that's the bottom line. *shrug* As already explained. You are either a liar or a troll. You're making that claim - prove it. Jacqueline has offered evidence for hers. You're required to offer some evidence that Jacqueline is lying (no, offering evidence for your original claim won't do the trick, and in any case you haven't accomplished that - all you've been doing is practising argument by repeated assertion, which never works). Strange, I've seen no evidence which carries any weight from her. Given her stance, that she has had healthy cats placed in her care by Cats Protection, with CP knowing in advance that she will be keeping them indoors 24/7, we are left with only two alternatives that fit reality. Either she is lying and the cats are not normal healthy cats, or she is just trolling (another form of lying). As I've said *REPEATEDLY* I can give you evidence - what evidence do you need? I'll happily provide. There is no evidence needed, you have proved by your words that you are either a liar or a troll. When you have worked with Cats Protection, and known as many other people who worked with them as I have, you can see through her very easily. I'd like to see your 'evidence' too. And not just the cut & paste stock answer you've been purporting for the past x years either. The answer fits. There have been a few trolls who have tried to rip it apart, but as it is based on facts they have never succeeded. -- Bob. I tell you what, you should be on educational TV, you certainly make me feel so much smarter..? |
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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:44:20 +0000, Jacqueline
wrote: On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:46:00 +0000, Bob Brenchley. wrote: On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:36:04 +0000, Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil wrote: Quoth Bob Brenchley.: I prefer to take their word too. And from my years of experience with them (as a member, volunteer and adopter), I've learned that they can and do rehome healthy indoor only cats. Argue all you like but that's the bottom line. *shrug* As already explained. You are either a liar or a troll. You're making that claim - prove it. Jacqueline has offered evidence for hers. You're required to offer some evidence that Jacqueline is lying (no, offering evidence for your original claim won't do the trick, and in any case you haven't accomplished that - all you've been doing is practising argument by repeated assertion, which never works). Strange, I've seen no evidence which carries any weight from her. Given her stance, that she has had healthy cats placed in her care by Cats Protection, with CP knowing in advance that she will be keeping them indoors 24/7, we are left with only two alternatives that fit reality. Either she is lying and the cats are not normal healthy cats, or she is just trolling (another form of lying). As I've said *REPEATEDLY* I can give you evidence - what evidence do you need? I'll happily provide. There is no evidence needed, you have proved by your words that you are either a liar or a troll. When you have worked with Cats Protection, and known as many other people who worked with them as I have, you can see through her very easily. I'd like to see your 'evidence' too. And not just the cut & paste stock answer you've been purporting for the past x years either. The answer fits. There have been a few trolls who have tried to rip it apart, but as it is based on facts they have never succeeded. -- Bob. I tell you what, you should be on educational TV, you certainly make me feel so much smarter..? |
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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:07:19 +0000, Bob Brenchley.
wrote: On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:44:20 +0000, Jacqueline wrote: As I've said *REPEATEDLY* I can give you evidence - what evidence do you need? I'll happily provide. There is no evidence needed, Thank you, that's all we needed to know ) I'd like to see your 'evidence' too. And not just the cut & paste stock answer you've been purporting for the past x years either. The answer fits. There have been a few trolls who have tried to rip it apart, but as it is based on facts they have never succeeded. Your facts are out of date. |
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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:07:19 +0000, Bob Brenchley.
wrote: On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:44:20 +0000, Jacqueline wrote: As I've said *REPEATEDLY* I can give you evidence - what evidence do you need? I'll happily provide. There is no evidence needed, Thank you, that's all we needed to know ) I'd like to see your 'evidence' too. And not just the cut & paste stock answer you've been purporting for the past x years either. The answer fits. There have been a few trolls who have tried to rip it apart, but as it is based on facts they have never succeeded. Your facts are out of date. |
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Quoth Bob Brenchley.:
There is no evidence needed, you have proved by your words that you are either a liar or a troll. There we are. A clear offer of evidence refused. No, Bob, it doesn't work like that. When someone very clearly has a quite different opinion and experience than you, it verges on the sociopathic to just start calling them a liar. Saying "that's not my experience" is perfectly acceptable, because it allows for the difference - saying "you're a liar" without a full investigation only demonstrates that you regard any experience differing from your own as non-existent, which is quite divergent from what most people would regard as normal, social behaviour. Unless you know, intimately, every case handled by every office of every protection agency in the UK, and are utterly sure that local offices don't diverge in practice (for example, because local environments vary), you can't possibly know that you're correct - which is what is required before you start screaming "liar". -- Gwenhwyfaer (emails need [Private] in the subject) some girls wander by themselves |
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Quoth Bob Brenchley.:
There is no evidence needed, you have proved by your words that you are either a liar or a troll. There we are. A clear offer of evidence refused. No, Bob, it doesn't work like that. When someone very clearly has a quite different opinion and experience than you, it verges on the sociopathic to just start calling them a liar. Saying "that's not my experience" is perfectly acceptable, because it allows for the difference - saying "you're a liar" without a full investigation only demonstrates that you regard any experience differing from your own as non-existent, which is quite divergent from what most people would regard as normal, social behaviour. Unless you know, intimately, every case handled by every office of every protection agency in the UK, and are utterly sure that local offices don't diverge in practice (for example, because local environments vary), you can't possibly know that you're correct - which is what is required before you start screaming "liar". -- Gwenhwyfaer (emails need [Private] in the subject) some girls wander by themselves |
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Quoth Bob Brenchley.:
You're making that claim - prove it. Jacqueline has offered evidence for hers. Strange, I've seen no evidence which carries any weight from her. You've refused all offers of documentary evidence. If you're going to claim there's nothing to see, it's more believable if you have your eyes open at the time. Given her stance, that she has had healthy cats placed in her care by Cats Protection, with CP knowing in advance that she will be keeping them indoors 24/7, we are left with only two alternatives that fit reality. Either she is lying and the cats are not normal healthy cats, or she is just trolling (another form of lying). No we're not left with two alternatives; we're left with at least 5 other ones: (a) she may have a mansion, in which case the floor space indoors is probably larger than most cats will have access to outdoors. (b) her local office may differ from the norm in policy. (c) your local office may differ from the norm in policy. (d) the cats have been kept indoors all their life, they're about 5, and whilst perfectly happy and healthy, they're timid. (e) the cats consistently refused to leave the house, so she gave up trying to persuade them. You may be short of imagination, Bob, but don't try and project it onto us as absolute truth. You're not in possession of that, and neither is anyone else. *sigh* I remember when you started posting here... you seemed so amusing, so promising... What happened, Bob? What happened? Several years of dealing with lying animal abusing trolls. ....and as far as I can see, that constitutes the majority the newsgroup. Ever wonder about that, Bob? Ever stop to think that just perhaps a newsgroup does not find itself populated almost exclusively by lying trolls - especially not lying trolls who seem perfectly capable of getting on with everyone else in the newsgroup and not insisting that their opinions are fact - until you, the vessel of ultimate revelation, arrives to set it to rights? Ever considered that just perhaps it might be you that's in the wrong? -- Gwenhwyfaer (emails need [Private] in the subject) some girls wander by themselves |
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