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9/11 - 10 years on
wrote in message ... Patok wrote: At any rate, the announcement they make at takeoff states electronic devices could interfere with the plane's navigation system and should be shut off *for the duration of the flight*. No, only at takeoff and landing. After takeoff there's an announcement that now you can turn electronic devices on, and everybody switches on laptops, DVD players and iPods/pads. Maybe cell phones too, but I've yet to see a cell phone that works over the ocean. I've been on planes that had phones embedded in the back of the seat in front of you. Haven't seen those in a while, though - are they a thing of the past? I thought maybe those would use different technology than a regular cellphone. I'm sure a call on one of those would cost a fortune. Joyce Yeah, it costs about $10 to make a call from one of those phones. Frankly there's no one I want to talk to that much. Jill |
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And by 2001, most of the mainstream media were owned by the same corporations whose interests our government was serving. Good point. Take General Electric Corp, for instance. It is one of the largest "defense" contractors in the country. And it owns NBC! |
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9/11 - 10 years on
On 9/15/2011 1:45 PM, Pat wrote:
wrote Again, I don't know, I have no idea about what it would take to deliberately do something like this, but it just seems to me that the amount of people it would take to orchestrate that type of cover-up does not compute - too many people just can't keep a secret to literally save their lives. Consider the Los Alamos project during WWII. Tens of thousands of people were involved and not one word leaked. No one outside of the project itself and a few high officials in the US govt. knew anything about it until after the Trinity test. First, we were living in a much different world back then. The press were respectful of our leader to the point of never printing a picture of President Roosevelt in a wheel chair. We were at war and journalists were willingly helping our government in that effort (unlike what started to happen in Viet Nam). I'm not saying it would take anything like tens of thousands to orchestrate the 9/11 attacks (if in fact they were orchestrated by some rogue elements inside the gov't). Due to compartmentalization, and to the fact that military exercises of similar events at the exact same time as the real ones were taking place, those in the lower echelons would have merely been following orders from above and thinking they were engaged in an exercise. The following short videos give an overview of the military exercises that were going on the morning of 9/11/01. Bear in mind they are cut-outs from a longer film and so there the topic of the info at the start is a segue: Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzHyynukJPc Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIgZA_1htqE And here is an excerpt from an FAA recording that morning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAGygtafhlI Sorry, I'm just not interested in conspiracy theories, I will pass these along to my husband, though, he finds them fun. -- Hugs, CatNipped See all our masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped See the RPCA FAQ site, created by "Yowie", maintained by Mark Edwards, at: http://www.professional-geek.net/rpcablog/ Email: L(dot)T(dot)Crews(at)comcast(dot)net |
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9/11 - 10 years on
"CatNipped" wrote
I don't think every single junior reports signs a contract saying that they will cover up certain stories. That's not necessary. They find out in other ways what's OK to talk about and what's not. Have you never heard the term "talking points"? *SOMEONE* in all these years would have written a book or gotten on the internet to let the world know about it. But they have!! You may not have seen it, but it goes on constantly. Just one small example is the film "Outfoxed" which came out about 6-7 years ago: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...97743434902428 |
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Pat wrote:
"CatNipped" wrote I don't think every single junior reports signs a contract saying that they will cover up certain stories. That's not necessary. They find out in other ways what's OK to talk about and what's not. Have you never heard the term "talking points"? *SOMEONE* in all these years would have written a book or gotten on the internet to let the world know about it. But they have!! You may not have seen it, but it goes on constantly. Just one small example is the film "Outfoxed" which came out about 6-7 years ago: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...97743434902428 Exactly. But when someone does write or talk about it, they're seen as a conspiracy nut. Joyce -- Hi, this is the Sylvia stress reduction hotline. At the sound of the beep, repeat after me: "This week, let someone else strive for excellence." -- Nicole Hollander |
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9/11 - 10 years on
To orchestrate such an event would require a cast of thousands and the
cooperation of aviation authorities, law enforcement, the judiciary, the insurance industry, politicians, government authorities, the military, and the press. They would need to plan, implement, and then keep it quiet. And not one leak? Not one person trying to make a buck by leaking it to a newspaper or TV station? Hard to believe. A wise man once said: Three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead. Jay That all depends on the degree of involvement. All that would have been required would have been for a small handful of officials in our intelligence and law enforcement agencies to turn a blind eye to intelligence submitted to them. Let's not forget that Morgan Stanley's security director at the World Trade Center, Rick Rescorla, was aware of the dangers posed by terrorists using a truck bomb against the basement pillars, a year before the 1993 truck bomb attack against those pillars. He then predicted that terrorists crashing a plane into the towers would be the next plausible threat, so he developed an evacuation and response plan for that eventuality. He also attempted to speak to FBI officials about the danger, but couldn't find anyone willing to listen to him. WTC's own head of security, John O'Neill, was a former FBI SAIC who had resigned from the FBI after becoming frustrated with their inattention to and mishandling of terrorism threat information. He had identified Osama bin Laden as the leader of major terrorism efforts directed against the US, but was unable to get anyone in authority to take his reports seriously or take action on them. These are just two minor accounts, but they show that the FBI was either incapable of or unwilling to take actions upon terrorist threats. It can be assumed that the same problems existed in other and law enforcement agencies (CIA incompetence in Bush's Iraqi MWD fiasco would support that assumption). I don't necessarily believe that the attacks were orchestrated by people within the US government (though I don't find the idea completely incredible either). But I do believe that plenty of forewarning was given, enough evidence existed that we should have been aware of the threat, and responsibility for those thousands of deaths has to be shared between the agencies that mishandled the warnings given, and the insane, psychopathic individuals that perpetrated the attacks. Our government has shown repeatedly that it is willing to subvert the letter and the spirit of the Constitution when restricting our rights and freedoms appeals to special interests within or supported by the government. To suppose that high-level officials would be capable of derailing investigations and responses to outside threats doesn't require any stretch of the imagination. I really do love our country, but I despise those who would weaken us and deprive us of our freedoms in the name of financial gain, personal power, or whatever other temptation leads them astray. Dan |
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